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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 18 November 2014 05:37:56PM 9 points [-]

Prediction is hard, especially about the future.

It's possible that feminists and MRAs will wake up to find a matriarchal future.

Or gender (if any) will come to mean something very different from what we're used to. Once humanity starts bioengineering itself, the range of possibility opens up tremendously.

My bet is that if cryonics works, the future will divide into home era cohorts, and the vast majority of people from earlier times may be living in reasonable comfort but will have very little power. A few highly adaptable people may be able to get up to speed to join the current culture.

Comment author: Capla 18 November 2014 09:08:15PM 3 points [-]

What do I have to do to be highly adaptable enough to join the culture that is still experiencing growth? What could I be doing now in order to prepare for that?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 November 2014 12:08:29AM 13 points [-]

Tentatively-- try living in a bunch of different cultures.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 19 November 2014 12:30:19AM 2 points [-]

Seconded.

Comment author: Nornagest 18 November 2014 11:14:40PM 7 points [-]

That sounds like premature optimization to me.

Comment author: Capla 18 November 2014 11:55:37PM 2 points [-]

Unquestionably, but it's still fun to ask.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 November 2014 08:32:56AM *  2 points [-]

Or gender (if any) will come to mean something very different from what we're used to. Once humanity starts bioengineering itself, the range of possibility opens up tremendously.

You mean there are people who don't just shape-shift their apparent sex depending on the precise situational combination of their current mood and what they want to signal? Goddamn you lot are weirdos ;-).

Although the conservation-of-mass issue gets awkward: you can either be a scrawny male but a healthy-looking female or a healthy-looking male and a rather overweight female, or be kinda awkwardly lithe in either form. Or you can go to the bathroom and store the extra unwanted mass when female, but really, there's only so much biological nanotechnology can do against basic physics.

(EDIT: Yes, I did make this up on the bus one day when thinking of things future people might consider good ideas that we'd consider unutterably bizarre, and was indeed waiting for an opportunity to post it ;-).)

Comment author: Azathoth123 20 November 2014 04:44:23AM *  5 points [-]

Um, if you have the ability to arbitrary rearrange your cells, they're likely more loosely attached to each other than those in animals. In any case you should be able to process raw environmental material to grow.

I have thought about possible future societies that aren't based on biological reproduction. Most of the examples in scifi fall apart after a little MoR-style pocking (their main flaw is keeping certain aspects of the setting the same as ours even if those aspects no longer make sense). The two that seem stable are the following:

1) Sentients become pure infomorphs (or ems as Hanson calls them). This abolishes the distinction between memetic and genetic inheritance. Thus "sex" in the sense of recombining "genetic" material is separate from reproduction and resembles having conversations. Reproduction consists of creating a copy of your mind/source code. This resembles the life cycle of bacteria, who exchange information via conjugation but reproduce via binary fission.

2) Sentients are produced in centralized factories, e.g., most children are grown in artificial wombs, or robots produced in more conventional factories. This effectively makes them eusocial with all that implies about their sense of individuality, or rather lack thereof.

The other possibility is old-fashioned sexual reproduction. I have no idea which of those possibilities will come to dominate.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 November 2014 12:56:50PM 2 points [-]

One possibility is that body composition becomes less important because it's so easily changed. At that tech level, it probably doesn't have any health implications.

Height might be less significant.

Instead of more mass to be a larger male, how about less density?

Comment author: [deleted] 19 November 2014 02:43:50PM 2 points [-]

Height and density. I'm a moron. brb, retuning bodily nanomachines.