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Comment author: Lumifer 20 November 2014 10:32:42PM 3 points [-]

Here is an excellent rant about things that make NRx look attractive.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 21 November 2014 01:08:07AM 6 points [-]

Quite a rant, but why do you think NRx would be any better?

Comment author: Lumifer 21 November 2014 01:17:08AM 2 points [-]

NRx at the moment is mostly about the critique of the existing political order. That's the part that resonates, while the prescriptive parts are both more contentious and more, I don't know, "abstract".

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 21 November 2014 01:33:32PM 2 points [-]

Second thought-- that rant is from a Left point of view. It's "people are being hurt for no reason, this is intolerable", not civilization is falling apart from lack of virtue."

Comment author: Lumifer 21 November 2014 03:53:11PM *  3 points [-]

that rant is from a Left point of view

I am pretty sure the author would disagree.

It's "people are being hurt for no reason, this is intolerable"

I think you're misreading it. One of the major points in this rant is:

The system is not fixable because it is not broken. It is working, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, to give the insiders their royal prerogatives, and to shove the regulations, the laws, and the debt up the asses of everyone else.

As to "civilization is falling apart from lack of virtue", that looks strawmannish to me and doesn't resemble NRx positions.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 21 November 2014 03:57:05PM 2 points [-]

"The system is not fixable because it is not broken."

This is an argument I've seen from leftists. I may have seen some version of it from the right.

As to "civilization is falling apart from lack of virtue", that looks strawmannish to me and doesn't resemble NRx positions.

Oh my, but the universe is generous!

Comment author: bogus 21 November 2014 01:57:31PM *  3 points [-]

Consequentialism is not a "Left" point of view. Also, many leftists hold some "virtues" sacred; consider recycling. It doesn't matter that all the tediously "recycled" garbage ends up in the same landfill, the point is to uphold the virtue of caring for the environment.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 25 November 2014 01:21:02PM 3 points [-]

all the tediously "recycled" garbage ends up in the same landfill

Cite?

Comment author: bogus 25 November 2014 07:32:46PM *  -1 points [-]

Cite?

C'mon, next time you spot a "recycling" truck, just follow it for a while and see where it's going. Sorry to disappoint you, but you might as well be asking for a "cite" that Santa's not real.

(And of course, I'm not talking about special cases. Everyone "recycles" their china and cutlery after use - but that's because the stuff is actually valuable!)

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 30 November 2014 06:30:20PM 0 points [-]

What country are you talking about? All of the major ones that recycle? If so, here is your chance to backtrack to a more reasonable position.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 24 November 2014 11:27:15AM 2 points [-]

It doesn't matter that all the tediously "recycled" garbage ends up in the same landfill, the point is to uphold the virtue of caring for the environment.

Really? I would expect that most pro-recycling people either don't know that the garbage ends up in the same place, or have an expectation that the separated landfills will come in the near future.

Comment author: Azathoth123 25 November 2014 12:41:28AM 3 points [-]

I would expect that most pro-recycling people either don't know that the garbage ends up in the same place, or have an expectation that the separated landfills will come in the near future.

That's true, of course a large part of it is that they don't want to know.

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