XiXiDu comments on xkcd on the AI box experiment - Less Wrong Discussion
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Regarding Yudkowsky's accusations against RationalWiki. Yudkowsky writes:
Calling this malicious is a huge exaggeration. Here is a quote from the LessWrong Wiki entry on Timeless Decision Theory:
RationalWiki explains this in the way that you should act as if it is you that is being simulated and who possibly faces punishment. This is very close to what the LessWrong Wiki says, phrased in a language that people with a larger inferential distance can understand.
Yudkowsky further writes:
This is not a malicious lie. Here is a quote from Roko's original post (emphasis mine):
This is like a robber walking up to you and explaining that you could take into account that he could shoot you if you don't give him your money.
Also notice that Roko talks about trading with uFAIs as well.
Roko said that you could reason that way, but he wasn't actually advocating that.
All the same, the authors of the RationalWiki article might have thought that he was; it's not clear to me that the error is malicious. It's still an error.
I'm pretty sure that I understand what the quoted text says (apart from the random sentence fragment), and what you're subsequently claiming that it says. I just don't see how the two relate, beyond that both involve simulations.
From your own source, immediately following the bolded sentence:
I don't completely understand what he's saying (possibly I might if I were to read his previous post); but he's pretty obviously not saying what you say he is. (I'm also not aware of his ever having been employed by SIAI or MIRI.)
(I'd be interested in the perspectives of the 7+ users who upvoted this. I see that it was edited; did it say something different when you upvoted it? Are you just siding with XiXiDu or against EY regardless of details? Or is my brain malfunctioning so badly that what looks like transparent bullshit is actually plausible, convincing or even true?)
Downvoted for bad selective quoting in that last quote. I read it and thought, wow, Yudkowsky actually wrote that. Then I thought, hmmm, I wonder if the text right after that says something like "BUT, this would be wrong because ..." ? Then I read user:Document's comment. Thank you for looking that up.
Roko wrote that, not Yudkowsky. But either way, yes, it's incomplete.
The last quote isn't from Yudkowsky.
Ah, my mistake, thanks again.