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Comment author: Jiro 21 November 2014 10:54:41PM *  4 points [-]

It's hard to polish a turd. And I think all the people who have responded by saying that Eliezer's PR needs to be better are suggesting that he polish a turd. The basilisk and the way the basilisk was treated has implications about LW that are inherently negative, to the point where no amount of PR can fix it. The only way to fix it is for LW to treat the Basilisk differently.

I think that if Eliezer were to

  1. Allow free discussion of the basilisk and
  2. Deny that the basilisk or anything like it could actually put one in danger from advanced future intelligences,

people would stop seeing the basilisk as reflecting badly on LW. It might take some time to fade, but it would eventually go away. But Eliezer can't do that, because he does think that basilisk-like ideas can be dangerous, and this belief of his is feeding his inability to really deny the Basilisk.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 23 November 2014 05:43:22PM 1 point [-]

But Eliezer can't do that, because he does think that basilisk-like ideas can be dangerous, and this belief of his is feeding his inability to really deny the Basilisk.

In other words, he disagrees with you and that is preventing him from agreeing with you.

Comment author: Jiro 24 November 2014 01:35:34AM 2 points [-]

Yes, except that agreeing with me is what a lot of people take Eliezer to be saying. There's this widespread belief that Eliezer just denied the Basilisk. And that's not really true; he denied the exact version of the Basilisk that was causing trouble, but he acceps the Basilisk in principle.