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Comment author: [deleted] 24 November 2014 08:51:59PM *  2 points [-]

A native (but optionally a very insightful and visionary native).

EDIT: I said native, but all that I really want to avoid is an answer like "I would use all my detailed 21-st century scientific knowledge to do something that a native couldn't possibly do".

Comment author: Lumifer 24 November 2014 09:12:17PM 6 points [-]

all that I really want to avoid is an answer like "I would use all my detailed 21-st century scientific knowledge to do something that a native couldn't possibly do".

How about "I would use all my detailed 21-st century scientific knowledge to be concerned about something that a native couldn't possibly be concerned about"?

Comment author: [deleted] 24 November 2014 09:19:41PM 0 points [-]

Sure, if it leads to an interesting point.

For example, if you were trying to avoid suffering: "I would kill 12 year old Hitler" isn't very interesting, but "I would do BLAH to improve European relations" or "There's nothing I could do" are interesting.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 24 November 2014 10:28:59PM 0 points [-]

"I would kill 12 year old Hitler"

Did you mean 1800 or 1900?

Comment author: [deleted] 24 November 2014 11:01:06PM 3 points [-]

I didn't mean that example to refer to original question; I just wanted to demonstrate a vague but somewhat intuitive difference between "fair" and "unfair" use of future knowledge.

Comment author: Lumifer 24 November 2014 08:58:51PM 5 points [-]

Well, being concerned about existential risk in 1800 probably means you were very much impressed by Thomas Malthus' An Essay on the Principle of Population (published in 1798) and were focused on population issues.

Of course, if you were a proper Christian you wouldn't worry too much about X-risk anyway -- first, it's God's will, and second, God already promised an end to this whole life: the Judgement Day.

Comment author: Brillyant 25 November 2014 12:16:31AM 0 points [-]

Of course, if you were a proper Christian you wouldn't worry too much about X-risk anyway -- first, it's God's will, and second, God already promised an end to this whole life: the Judgement Day.

Still true today.

Comment author: Lumifer 25 November 2014 02:04:10AM 5 points [-]

Sure, but the percentage of fully believing Christians was much higher in 1800.