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Comment author: NatPhilosopher 15 January 2015 01:03:50AM *  1 point [-]

Actually, Doctors practice reflects little about what the scientific literature says about vaccines, or most anything else. Medical decisions are routinely made worse than randomly. Here's a recent review article. They reviewed all the articles for 10 years in a high impact journal. The majority of the articles surveyed study a new practice, but of the 27% that test an existing practice, 40% reverse the practice and 38% reaffirm. My remark on this is: 50%-50% would be what you'd expect if the result of the test were random. So this indicates they are doing no better than random in introducing new practices replacing old ones. If you go on a random walk with each step forward or backward, how long does it take before you know nothing? http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196%2813%2900405-9/abstract

This isn't unusual. Everybody who looks seriously at medical practice, finds between 10-30% of it is supported by science. Here's an article with a bunch of references to such studies by the BMJ and the Congress and the like. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-larry-dossey/the-mythology-of-science_b_412475.html

And like I pointed out, the vaccine safety surveys routinely ignore all of the actual pertinent scientific literature on dangers, so no wonder they decide they are safe.

If you read naturopaths online, they actually justify what they prescribe much better than Doctors ever will.

Here's another one Clin Oncol (R Coll Radiol). 2004 Dec;16(8):549-60. The contribution of cytotoxic chemotherapy to 5-year survival in adult malignancies. Morgan G1, Ward R, Barton M. RESULTS: The overall contribution of curative and adjuvant cytotoxic chemotherapy to 5-year survival in adults was estimated to be 2.3% in Australia and 2.1% in the USA. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15630849

Personally, I'd try some recommendation like Curcumin first. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18386790

Comment author: gjm 15 January 2015 01:31:45PM 5 points [-]

of the 27% that test an existing practice, 40% reverse the practice and 38% reaffirm.

Studies testing an existing practice are much more likely to be done if there is already reason to suspect that the existing practice isn't working well.

Comment author: Elo 21 January 2015 05:18:07AM 0 points [-]

If you read naturopaths online, they actually justify what they prescribe much better than Doctors ever will.

I was lightly reading along the whole discussion. I stopped and looked up a definition of naturopath just in case I was thinking of a different one. Here is the link I found. http://www.australiannaturaltherapistsassociation.com.au/therapies/naturopathy.php

This is completely off topic from the original post.

What is the current retort to - mild metal poisoning (not that you get any, at all from vaccines, but if we play a devils advocate...) - still better than catching the diseases we vaccinate against? right? No one wants polio do they?