If we value them getting to go and make their own choices, then that will be included in CEV.
If we do not value them being brainwashed, it will not be included in CEV.
I strongly suspect that both of these are the case.
I know that is the standard answer. I tried to discourage people from making it by saying, in the parent comment,
I know somebody's going to say, "Well, then that's your utility function!"
I'm talking about a real and important distinction, which is the degree of freedom in values to give the next generation. Under standard CEV, it's zero.
I don't think that parameter, the degree of freedom, should be thought of as a value, which we can plug any number we like into. It should be thought of as a parameter of the system, which has a predictable im...
This is part of a weekly reading group on Nick Bostrom's book, Superintelligence. For more information about the group, and an index of posts so far see the announcement post. For the schedule of future topics, see MIRI's reading guide.
Welcome. This week we discuss the twenty-third section in the reading guide: Coherent extrapolated volition.
This post summarizes the section, and offers a few relevant notes, and ideas for further investigation. Some of my own thoughts and questions for discussion are in the comments.
There is no need to proceed in order through this post, or to look at everything. Feel free to jump straight to the discussion. Where applicable and I remember, page numbers indicate the rough part of the chapter that is most related (not necessarily that the chapter is being cited for the specific claim).
Reading: “The need for...” and “Coherent extrapolated volition” from Chapter 13
Summary
Another view
Part of Olle Häggström's extended review of Superintelligence expresses a common concern—that human values can't be faithfully turned into anything coherent:
Notes
1. While we are on the topic of critiques, here is a better list:
In-depth investigations
If you are particularly interested in these topics, and want to do further research, these are a few plausible directions, some inspired by Luke Muehlhauser's list, which contains many suggestions related to parts of Superintelligence. These projects could be attempted at various levels of depth.
If you are interested in anything like this, you might want to mention it in the comments, and see whether other people have useful thoughts.
How to proceed
This has been a collection of notes on the chapter. The most important part of the reading group though is discussion, which is in the comments section. I pose some questions for you there, and I invite you to add your own. Please remember that this group contains a variety of levels of expertise: if a line of discussion seems too basic or too incomprehensible, look around for one that suits you better!
Next week, we will talk about more ideas for giving an AI desirable values. To prepare, read “Morality models” and “Do what I mean” from Chapter 13. The discussion will go live at 6pm Pacific time next Monday 23 February. Sign up to be notified here.