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MarkusRamikin comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, January 2015, chapter 103 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: ChristianKl 13 February 2015 02:20:14PM 0 points [-]

Having a reputation of not lying is valuable.

Comment author: MarkusRamikin 13 February 2015 02:27:01PM *  1 point [-]

Yes, yes it is. And you keep one by not risking it when you don't have to.

Comment author: Nanashi 13 February 2015 03:01:02PM 0 points [-]

Dumbledore clearly is not above telling the truth with manipulative intent. I think it's quite easy to make the case that the note was true to the word, that the portkey would eventually lead Harry to Salem. Same with the cloak message: Dumbledore has not let go of the chance to possess the Cloak. Harry remains firmly under Dumbledore's ward, thus holding on to that chance.

Comment author: Velorien 14 February 2015 11:54:55AM 0 points [-]

Then the two notes contradict, as letting Harry go to Salem, and beyond Dumbledore's reach, would entail giving up on the Cloak.

Comment author: Nanashi 14 February 2015 12:47:07PM *  0 points [-]

For the two notes to contradict:

  • Harry would have to be out of Dumbledore's reach at Salem (unlikely, given the extent of Dumbledore's influence and meddling).

  • Dumbledore would have to let Harry keep the cloak before sending him to Salem. (fairly likely, but not guaranteed).

  • Dumbledore would have to be alive (also fairly likely, although if this follows canon then Dumbledore will die at some point)

There's enough wiggle room to where I think someone like Dumbledore would feel comfortable saying it's not a lie.

Comment author: Velorien 14 February 2015 01:02:42PM 0 points [-]

Harry would have to be out of Dumbledore's reach at Salem (unlikely, given the extent of Dumbledore's influence and meddling).

The second note states that magical America can protect Harry from Dumbledore. If Harry isn't outside Dumbledore's reach at Salem, and Dumbledore knows this when writing the note, then he is lying.

Dumbledore would have to let Harry keep the cloak before sending him to Salem. (fairly likely, but not guaranteed).

Technically speaking, Dumbledore can't take the Cloak from Harry by force, since its powers apparently rely on formal and deliberate transfer of ownership. I suppose he could resort to blackmail, but doing that before sending Harry to America would almost certainly result in complete breaking of ties (at least friendly ties).

Dumbledore would have to be alive (also fairly likely, although if this follows canon then Dumbledore will die at some point)

Given everything else that happens (with Hermione's death as the strongest example), I think we can be fairly certain that this story will not follow canon plot developments except by coincidence.

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