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jkaufman comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 104 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: jkaufman 16 February 2015 11:24:14PM 2 points [-]

Legilimensed? I thought Sprout was Imperiused?

Comment author: solipsist 17 February 2015 12:04:18AM 7 points [-]

Nope. Quirrell on the possibility of Lucius framing Hermione:

"From a dark alley the black-clad form of Malfoy steps forth - he would go in person, for this - and speaks to her a single word."

"Imperio."

"Legilimens, rather," said Professor Quirrell. "I do not know if the Hogwarts wards would trigger for a returning Professor under the Imperius Curse. And if I do not know, Malfoy probably does not know either. But Malfoy is a perfect Occlumens at least; he might be able to use Legilimency. And for the target...perhaps Aurora Sinistra; none would question the Astronomy Professor moving about at night."

"Or even more obviously, Professor Sprout," said Harry. "Since she's the last person anyone would suspect."

The Defense Professor hesitated minutely. "Perhaps."

Comment author: polymathwannabe 17 February 2015 03:05:05PM -1 points [-]

I don't understand. How is Legilimens a method of mind control?

Comment author: Velorien 17 February 2015 03:55:27PM 1 point [-]

I've wondered this as well. Eliezer seems to think it is, as it's listed when one of the characters (I forget who) enumerates means of mind control including Imperius and the Confundus Charm. Possibly it's fanon?

The Potter Wiki cites Voldemort using Legilimency to send Harry visions and briefly possess him, though their connection seems like it ought to be a fairly unique case.

Comment author: dxu 17 February 2015 05:49:16PM *  2 points [-]

In HPMoR, at least, Moody was able to "reshape Harry to make him believe he was on fire", which implies Legilimency is more than just passive mind-reading.

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