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lerjj comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 109 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Izeinwinter 23 February 2015 09:05:32PM *  12 points [-]

He's standing in a indestructible oracle. That he knows how to use, and Tom doesn't. That is the most awesomely rigged battleground possible.

Re: The words on the mirror. In-universe, "CEV" is likely a translation from the atlanean - any reader will get a mirrored phrase which is the closest mapping to what it does which exists in their language or something like it.

Comment author: lerjj 23 February 2015 10:03:25PM 2 points [-]

I find the assumption that Dumbledore is in the mirror and can use it suspect. I fully expect him to either (a) not be in the mirror, but actually behind it/other side of room. or (b) to simply walk out at the start of the next chapter.

So no, I don't expect an epic battle next chapter. However, I don't see a way out of one... I notice that I am confused.

(Prediction: Dumbledore comes out of the mirror, followed by several more Dumbledore's. Or maybe multiple ancient Dark Wizards and Light Lords... would explain the Map's confusion. This actually could lead to an epic battle.)

Comment author: Benito 23 February 2015 10:58:12PM 3 points [-]

I expect that Dumbledore and Quirrrell cannot affect each other whilst Dumbledore is in the mirror, and so they will negotiate.

Comment author: Izeinwinter 23 February 2015 10:19:16PM *  0 points [-]

"Baba Yaga and her 52 apprentices"? That's possible, but I'm not actually sure how this can become a battle because the obvious move is for Riddle to "bombarda" his own skull.

I'm thinking we are going to get some more talking. And it is pretty likely we are about to have explained to us how he already lost...

Wait. Are we at all sure the Tom's are still outside the mirror? If the plan was to trap Voldemort in the mirror, how do we know that didn't already happen, and this is years later when they finally finished tracking down the horcruxes? Because the best mirror-plane prison would be one with no passage of time in it.

This also fits the prophecy, because in this case, Harry did defeat him, by being willing to go down with him. Which is a power he knows not.

Comment author: gwillen 23 February 2015 11:14:51PM 0 points [-]

Hmm, "Both Toms are trapped in the mirror, Myst-style" would explain a bit of my confusion, to wit: how is it that the first invocation of the mirror was only visible to Voldemort, but the trap-invocation seems visible to both Riddles, even though Harry is under the True Cloak and thus not visible to the mirror? (On the other hand, if that's true, how did the trap get sprung on him?)

Comment author: Transfuturist 24 February 2015 12:54:42AM 0 points [-]

The trap-invocation is visible to both because they are in Dumbledore's invocation of the mirror now, and Dumbledore is the one looking in.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 24 February 2015 03:54:56PM 0 points [-]

Right, but the Mirror (in theory) has no power over anything not reflected in it, and Harry's still invisible.

Comment author: Transfuturist 24 February 2015 05:13:43PM *  0 points [-]

It might have inverted the whole room, with Harry being caught up in it. The Cloak allegedly only evades the Mirror, not challenging its perfect reflection.