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calef comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 110 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: calef 24 February 2015 08:16:46PM 5 points [-]

It seems like Mirror-Dumbledore acted in accordance with exactly what Voldemort wanted to see. In fact, Mirror-Dumbledore didn't even reveal any information that Voldemort didn't already know or suspect.

Odds of Dumbledore actually being dead?

Comment author: Vaniver 24 February 2015 08:22:06PM 4 points [-]

Odds of Dumbledore actually being dead?

He's not dead; he's just out of time. It seems likely that Harry can restore him, if he manages to make it out of this alive and with his values intact.

Comment author: MathMage 24 February 2015 09:08:48PM *  1 point [-]

The Mirror in canon isn't limited to the viewer's knowledge (cf. the appearances of Harry's extended family); it's unlikely that the HPMOR version has been given that limitation, so fulfilling that limitation is not a strong indicator. Moreover, Quirrellmort's CEV probably is not to defeat Dumbledore, so the Mirror should not show it. I think odds are high that this was the real Dumbledore, and that he has been, not killed, but cast out of the time stream. Removed from game, if you will.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 24 February 2015 10:02:58PM 3 points [-]

The Mirror in canon isn't limited to the viewer's knowledge (cf. the appearances of Harry's extended family);

No? Should we assume he has never seen pictures of his family, after being raised by his mother's sister?

Quirrellmort's CEV probably is not to defeat Dumbledore

Maybe. That your entire CEV could be shown in a mirror seemed rather unlikely, but since he is already immortal, defeating Dumbledore has got to be pretty close to the top of the list for Quirrell.

I was actually really interested in seeing just what EY would show as Q's CEV.

Comment author: Vaniver 24 February 2015 10:08:27PM 3 points [-]

No? Should we assume he has never seen pictures of his family, after being raised by his mother's sister?

I recall him not having seen the people before, and inferring that they were his family. However, whether or not they're actually what his family looked like, or just what he expected them to look like, is not certain (but the former is more likely).

Comment author: Velorien 25 February 2015 10:53:09AM *  3 points [-]

Additionally, recall that this is the canon Harry we're taking about. His stepmother hated and feared Lily and everything about her, and wanted her life not to be tainted by association with her, so it's unlikely that she'd keep a photo album with Lily in it just lying around. Also, given Harry's relationship with his wicked step-parents, they'd hardly dig out the photo album for him if it existed.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 24 February 2015 08:36:35PM 0 points [-]

It seems like Mirror-Dumbledore acted in accordance with exactly what Voldemort wanted to see. In fact, Mirror-Dumbledore didn't even reveal any information that Voldemort didn't already know or suspect.

Which is exactly how the mirror was always advertised to work?