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b_sen comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 111 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: b_sen 25 February 2015 06:56:44PM 0 points [-]

So it looks like some of Harry's magic is on the diary for whatever reason, because Voldemort casting a spell on the diary sets off the resonance hard. Did Harry cast a spell on it earlier?

Comment author: Phigment 25 February 2015 07:05:35PM *  5 points [-]

Harry cast a spell on Hermione just minutes prior.

A spell imbuing her with his magic and life force, which would never return to him.

I imagine that's what cause the resonance reaction.

Comment author: Vaniver 25 February 2015 07:38:43PM 1 point [-]

I imagine that's what cause the resonance reaction.

I think Voldemort thought of that:

"Fascinating indeed," Voldemort hissed. "She is alive, and magical, and not another Tom Riddle as I feared you might have made her."

Comment author: b_sen 25 February 2015 07:20:00PM 0 points [-]

True, but then Voldemort performed magical rituals on Hermione. I imagine that ritual magic would also count as magic interacting, although it's possible that it doesn't.

It's also possible that the Patronus is somehow protective from whatever Dark magic Voldemort just attempted (and needed to kill Quirrell for). Good point, in any case.

Comment author: Phigment 25 February 2015 07:30:42PM 1 point [-]

You're right, I would expect the troll and unicorn merges to have caused interaction. Hmm.

Seems, then, like the resonance is more a complication of doing unusual things with the horcrux ritual than a matter of Voldemort's magic affecting Harry, per se.

Comment author: lerjj 25 February 2015 08:05:28PM 2 points [-]

Maybe the final spell is the alicorn Princess spell, and the resonance was caused on a meta-level by the literary gods.

Comment author: GeraldMonroe 25 February 2015 07:05:13PM *  0 points [-]

Why does he need to create a Horcrux immediately? Theory :

Each horcrux, even with Voldemort's modified ritual, is just a snapshot of Voldemort's mind-state at the instant the horcrux was made. What Voldemort has somehow managed using magic is to interconnect all these Horcruxes into a network, and build some kind of non-biological system to "run" his personality based on the snapshots.

This explains why he was able to observe the stars and think about his mistakes for 8 years until someone touched one of his horcruxes. Somehow, his network sends only the presentMindState to the body it hijacks.

This is how I assumed, previously, that Harry might defeat him. Since magic thinks he's got the same identifiers as Voldemort, is Harry is killed a moment after voldemort is, his mind should become the "top" element in the stack of memory states that is Voldemort's horcrux network. I would assume that he would have access to all of the knowledge in the lower states, but as the top, canonical state, he would have control when Voldemort respawns.

As it is, I'm guessing the respawned Voldemort after he's killed by magical resonance will lack the mind state changes since his last horcrux.

Comment author: Izeinwinter 25 February 2015 07:12:25PM 5 points [-]

Voldemort isn't that good a coder - It's a continually updating system, that loads his present mindstate onto the entire system.. And he just rekeyed it to Hermione. All backups and lore: Gone.

Dumbledore loaded the cloak with Bhals stupefication, didn't he? Some delivery mechanism that only tiggered when worn by an adult. Hence the mad cackling and very poor plan for stopping Harry from breaking the universe <,<

Comment author: Phigment 25 February 2015 07:24:07PM *  5 points [-]

This is a completely excellent suggestion.

Dumbledore, knowing that Harry was an expected pawn in Voldemort's plans, just booby-traps all the personal possessions that Voldemort would logically want to deprive Harry of, like the cloak, his wand, his pouch, his time-turner, Hermione's corpse...

In the same vein, booby-trap the Philosopher's stone. Coat it in a fine layer of contact poison, so that anyone who managed to retrieve it from the mirror and handled it with bare skin would get whammied. Then, if you actually win, wear gloves.

Comment author: Alsadius 25 February 2015 08:43:49PM 0 points [-]

Is poison really a good attack against someone who holds the Philosopher's Stone?

Comment author: Phigment 25 February 2015 09:04:04PM 2 points [-]

Depends on the poison.

If it's something that prevents the poisoned person from noticing he has been poisoned, sure. Doesn't matter if you could fix the problem, if your brain has been prevented from realizing there IS a problem.

Alternately, if the "poison" is some sort of deleterious transfiguration effect upon the subject, which the stone will immediately make permanent, it would be hilarious. Snape, at least, thinks this way. Remember his attempt spike Voldemort's resurrection components with LSD?

Comment author: linkhyrule5 25 February 2015 08:56:23PM 1 point [-]

It is if the poison's effect is to make the person a complete drooling moron.

Google Bahl's Stupefaction, and then Idiot Ball.

Comment author: GeraldMonroe 25 February 2015 08:04:28PM 0 points [-]

I agree that Voldemort seems to be holding the idiot ball this chapter. With that said, you'd kind of expect an immortal god-wizard who's 10 steps ahead to be buffed with poison and magic protections up the wazoo, etc.

Comment author: Phigment 25 February 2015 07:14:24PM 1 point [-]

My thought was that his personalized horcrux spell tied whoever it was used upon to the horcrux network he built.

Therefore, by using it on Hermione, instead of having two parallel horcrux immortals, Hermione's mind was connected to his network, and he was disconnected.

This was not something he had ever examined in detail, because it never occurred to him to spread his horcrux method around before.

Comment author: DanielLC 25 February 2015 07:57:35PM 0 points [-]

If Voldemort just gave Hermione a horcrux, how does he plan on killing her and using her for a horcrux.

Comment author: Alsadius 25 February 2015 08:44:31PM 0 points [-]

He presumably planned on killing Harry, or just Apparating somewhere and killing a random person.