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Vaniver comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 111 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Vaniver 25 February 2015 07:02:21PM *  1 point [-]

I don't expect the gun to work; it seems to me that if Voldemort had a ritual to give people properties of magical creatures, he would have given them to himself, and firing a gun at a troll three times would not be terribly effective. But would his body recreated from his blood through this ritual have those features? Uncertain. But shooting a troll three times would still give you enough time to close the distance, or cast a spell on him before he could fly away, or so on.

[edit] As people pointed out below, I forgot about the temporary nature of the spell without the stone.

It is also interesting that the horcrux spell can be cast for others (or is he doing other mind magic at the same time?).

Comment author: DanArmak 25 February 2015 07:14:20PM *  7 points [-]

Voldemort would not have given the properties to his body before now, because he had not had the Stone, and without its permanence effect, after a few hours the transferred properties would wear off.

He was overconfident in giving them to Hermione now, instead of to himself.

Comment author: Alsadius 25 February 2015 08:45:53PM 2 points [-]

Hermione needed them immediately, due to fears of Transfiguration sickness. Voldemort did not.

Comment author: b_sen 25 February 2015 07:24:09PM 2 points [-]

Voldemort would not have given the properties to his body before now, because he had not had the Stone, and without its permanence effect, after a few hours the transferred properties would wear off.

Voldemort also says that the subject sometimes dies when the properties wear off, so he has very good reason not to give them to his body earlier.

Comment author: DanielLC 25 February 2015 07:49:16PM 0 points [-]

He should have brought two trolls and two unicorns. Or maybe three, just to be safe.

Comment author: lerjj 25 February 2015 08:03:32PM 2 points [-]

I suspect that Hermione goes first, because that's how you test that this is a safe idea: you do something 'nice'. I dispute the use of others as guinea pigs as actually being nice, though. Even when there are positives to them.

Comment author: Vaniver 25 February 2015 08:13:41PM 0 points [-]

I suspect that Hermione goes first, because that's how you test that this is a safe idea: you do something 'nice'.

I suggested as much last Saturday, but I was expecting him to do normal transfiguration and then make it permanent with the stone. When it was a ritual that he already knew, I assumed that he had already done it to himself--forgetting that it was temporary without the stone.

Comment author: RomeoStevens 25 February 2015 07:15:29PM 1 point [-]

remember that spell is considered temporary without the P.stone according to Voldemort.

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 February 2015 07:47:56PM *  0 points [-]

I don't expect the gun to work; it seems to me that if Voldemort had a ritual to give people properties of magical creatures, he would have given them to himself, and firing a gun at a troll three times would not be terribly effective

The ritual only works permanently because he has the stone. He likely would have later transfered troll power to himself but I don't think he has the time at the moment.