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Yvain comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 111 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Yvain 25 February 2015 07:26:18PM 4 points [-]

How is Voldemort resurrecting Hermione?

With his own resurrection, he's transfiguring stuff into his body, using the Stone to make the transfiguration permanent, then having his spirit repossess the body.

With Hermione, the body was never the problem. Where's he getting the spirit? How does the Stone help?

Comment author: b_sen 25 February 2015 07:34:18PM 3 points [-]

Where's he getting the spirit?

Harry's Patronus appears to have solved that problem, although we don't know how. "Not another Tom Riddle" suggests that it worked.

How does the Stone help?

Hermione's body needs significant repair, and the only way we know of for the repairs in question (once the person is dead) is permanent Transfiguration.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 25 February 2015 07:40:08PM 1 point [-]

Presumably, the body was repaired to true health - which also means that the brain was restored to its original state, that is, functional.

At that point, a Muggle can be revived by simply restarting her heart. A witch, apparently, requires a bit of magic.

Comment author: Yvain 25 February 2015 09:46:24PM 2 points [-]

But that suggests that you can resurrect someone non-permanently without the Stone - and possibly keep them alive indefinitely by expending constant magic on it like Harry does with his father's rock.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 25 February 2015 09:50:33PM 0 points [-]

I would guess that the True Patronus would fail in that case, because it is no longer true that "the only thing wrong with this body is that it's dead."

Comment author: CellBioGuy 25 February 2015 09:07:24PM *  1 point [-]

Electricity and drugs would probably have produced muggle-Hermione. Probably the system doesn't assign new usernames to beings that appear out of thin air except for patroni, and Hermione's account is long-retired in any case.

Comment author: DanArmak 25 February 2015 07:33:48PM 1 point [-]

The body still needed to be restored to the state of a complete and healthy body, and the Stone made it permanent.

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 February 2015 08:07:32PM -1 points [-]

The brain contains all the necessary information, I don't think a "soul" is needed.