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1 Post author: DonaldMcIntyre 25 February 2015 09:02PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 28 February 2015 12:06:54PM *  0 points [-]

We'd also need to separate the first from the second.

The first one probably has little advantage to reproduction (It would make sense to say that rationalists SHOULD be at the top of the social ladder but in fact that's not often true.)

The second is probably your best bet of reproducing.

but my options are between the "Human" and the biological justification.

I don't understand this. Care to elaborate?

Comment author: DonaldMcIntyre 28 February 2015 06:47:38PM *  0 points [-]

Above you mention two types of people:

Most people here like science and everything around it...

Most people on the outside however are more obsessed about money or status...

But I am clarifying that my observation is from the point of view of human conscious objectives human may have vs biological objectives.

I think all evolved traits respond to biological goals and that we may regard some biases as flawed, but that's from the human perspective.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 28 February 2015 03:58:35PM 0 points [-]

It would make sense to say that rationalists SHOULD be at the top of the social ladder but in fact that's not often true.

If rationalist means instrumental rationalist, they often are winning.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 February 2015 04:49:20PM 0 points [-]

I thought instrumental and epistemic rationality feed each other, no? Can you be one but not the other?

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 01 March 2015 08:47:01AM *  0 points [-]

An epistemic rationalist is an instrumental rationalist who values truth. An instrumental rationalist values something else. If they value typical things like wealth and status, then there is some evidence that the winners in society have won by systematic winning. But epistemic rationalists don't often win in those terms.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 March 2015 07:01:31PM 0 points [-]

That doesn't really answer the question though.

How can you make a plan (instrumental rationality) without having solid premises? (epistemic rationality)

How can you know what works and what not (epistemic rationality) if you haven't tried something? (instrumental rationality)

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 04 March 2015 07:53:59PM *  0 points [-]

There's a difference between the two in theory,because an idealized ageny either has true knowledge as a terminal value or not.

The extent to which a given agent can stick to instrumental rationality depends on its nature., how fuzzy or leaky it is. An instrumental rationalist that habitually gathers knowledge of no obvious use might mutate into what is FAPP an epistemic rationalist.

I cant see why experimentation should be more connected to IR than ER.