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DanArmak comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 112 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: DanArmak 25 February 2015 09:58:08PM *  6 points [-]

People here should be aware of fresh Word of God. Apparently we're NOT in the Mirror.

Comment author: Vaniver 25 February 2015 10:22:12PM 12 points [-]

It's implied but not stated that we're not in the mirror. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!

(I say as someone who is >98% sure that we're not in the mirror.)

Comment author: Romashka 26 February 2015 09:01:04PM 1 point [-]

Ah well, if we are in the mirror, then the real we, the we with abominable terminal values and recurring stupidity, at least get one hell of a kick out of life.

Sounds... bad enough

Comment author: Astazha 28 February 2015 12:55:38PM 0 points [-]

EY could fairly express that frustration at unexpected and seemingly inconsistent reader reactions whether we're in the mirror or not. 111 was less believable than 110 to me, so I see where he's coming from there. But whether we're in the mirror is a question of what level the author is playing us at, and it's a separate thing from this. That comment isn't a Word of God about whether we're in the mirror. Those chapters were both written to signal that we were in the mirror. I don't know if that's a true hint or a deception, but EY can be surprised by the differential reactions regardless. That doesn't seem to be evidence either way.

Comment author: Yvain 26 February 2015 08:48:19PM *  10 points [-]

The Mirror did not touch the ground; the golden frame had no feet. It didn't look like it was hovering; it looked like it was fixed in place, more solid and more motionless than the walls themselves, like it was nailed to the reference frame of the Earth's motion.

The Mirror is in the fourth wall. Now that we-the-readers have seen the mirror, we have to consider that our seeing Eliezer saying this isn't in the mirror might just be part of our coherent extrapolated volition.

Comment author: 27chaos 27 February 2015 12:13:27AM 5 points [-]

My CEV is much less enjoyable than I had imagined it would be.

Comment author: Gondolinian 25 February 2015 10:22:12PM 4 points [-]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

WHY WHY WHY

WHY YOU QUESTION 110 AND NOT 111

THERE ARE NO RULES

NO RULES

To be fair, we only had 2.5 hours to question 111, while we had nearly a whole day to question 110.

Comment author: Vaniver 25 February 2015 10:28:16PM 7 points [-]

A summary of the reaction, in two points:

  1. But wait, you're focusing just on the wrong reactions, people reacted both ways to both chapters!
  2. But this is normal human nature; people are rooting for Dumbledore and against Voldemort, and so disbelieve an anvil being dropped on Dumbledore and cheer when an anvil is dropped on Voldemort.
Comment author: Astazha 26 February 2015 12:07:03AM 5 points [-]

I believed 110, and then when 111 came out I was like "No, 110 and 111 are both mirror bullshit; there's no way it's a coincidence that they both get resounding, total victories after being reflected in the mirror." Aaaaand I'm wrong. EY keeps me guessing.

Comment author: solipsist 26 February 2015 01:22:18AM 3 points [-]

Me too. I did not doubt chapter 110 was veridical until chapter 111 ate my suspension of disbelief.

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