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Gondolinian comments on If you can see the box, you can open the box - Less Wrong Discussion

49 Post author: ThePrussian 26 February 2015 10:36AM

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Comment author: Gondolinian 26 February 2015 06:26:57PM *  0 points [-]

Evil, defined as taking pleasure in someone else's unwanted pain, exists. And if we pretend it doesn't and look for other motives when evil was the driving force we get a mismatch between map and territory.

Yes, but from the inside, one's utility function often feels like The Way The World Should Be. An evil person by your definition could still feel like they're Doing The Right Thing when they're decreasing others' utility. So I feel like nothing has really changed with regard to whether "evil" defined as seeing The Way The World Should Be and opposing it makes any sense.

Comment author: James_Miller 26 February 2015 06:57:38PM 0 points [-]

Most people have some evil in them. Have you ever really hated someone and desired bad things to happen to that person? Didn't this feel a lot different compared to when you loved someone and wanted good things to happen to that person?