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Hitler invaded on June 22, was planning to be done before the frost set in, and was (I think correctly) worried about Stalin's double cross at some point down the line.
A German invasion backed by a less insane ideology would have won as well, I think.
That's a common misunderstanding. Barbarossa begins in June, but the push into Russia proper does not happen until the winter. Which is what was predictable if you start such an invasion in June.
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Are you talking about the invasion plans? The original estimate was was for the Red Army to fold in a few weeks. Do you have any references for your claim that the Germans planned for a "Russia proper" push to happen in winter of 1941-42?
If you start an eastward invasion in June, you end up in Russia in Winter. Which is what happened. Which is why Hitler's generals were against it. It's not difficult to work out - Napoleon did the same thing.
First, in the context I don't think the difference between Ukraine, Belorussia, etc. and Russia proper is in any way meaningful.
Second, the Russian town of Smolensk fell by late July. By August Novgorod was taken and the Germans got close to Leningrad. The battle for Moscow started in early October.
As opposed to Napoleon, the Germans planned a blitzkrieg -- the "blitz" part is there for a reason.
You are not making any sense.
Ok, no longer confused about what's happening here. Exiting conversation.