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Vaniver comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, March 2015, chapter 114 + chapter 115 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Subbak 03 March 2015 09:10:04PM 5 points [-]

Without any hesitation despite his wounds the Dark Lord jerked down and right through the air.

Something that could indicate trying to dodge, or consciousness leaving the body. It's not unreasonable for Voldie to think "I've lost here, no matter what I do this body will be unusable in the near future, in case he has a plan to incapacitate me without triggering my Horcrux wards I'd better go someplace else".

All in all I'd assign a high subjective probability to Voldie's spirit being intact. Voldemort is a thorough planner, so total Oblivation is something he must have foreseen. And even if he did not, he is also known for not taking risks even when other people would be certain their precautions were enough. For example, he went through the trouble of resurrecting Hermione AND having Harry swear an Unbreakable Vow before attempting to kill him. Therefore, seeing something in his plan going terribly awry, there is a very high probability Voldemort would just retreat to a safe haven like the Horcrux Network.

Comment author: Vaniver 03 March 2015 09:55:17PM *  4 points [-]

Something that could indicate trying to dodge, or consciousness leaving the body. It's not unreasonable for Voldie to think "I've lost here, no matter what I do this body will be unusable in the near future, in case he has a plan to incapacitate me without triggering my Horcrux wards I'd better go someplace else".

It is implied that while Voldemort can stop possessing a victim at will, he cannot stop inhabiting his own body at will.

[EDIT]Though Harry internally states the opposite:

He cannot be imprisoned, for he can abandon his body at any time.

This is the part I was thinking of:

The soul he'd created for himself had to be anchored in this brain, it mustn't be allowed to float free.

Comment author: Astazha 04 March 2015 07:09:56PM 0 points [-]

Voldemort had the ability fly free from his body. The last sentence you quote is Harry thinking that he mustn't allow that to happen, not that V doesn't have the capability. If V goes free then he must be defeated again; Harry is avoiding that outcome.

Comment author: Vaniver 04 March 2015 07:13:58PM 0 points [-]

Voldemort had the ability fly free from his body.

At least, Harry thinks that he did. (The last sentence I quoted is the section that I had misinterpreted as evidence that he couldn't, but I wouldn't take Harry's speculations as the most likely possibility instead of a conservative estimate.)

Comment author: Astazha 04 March 2015 11:09:33PM 2 points [-]

Ch. 107

"Life-eaterss cannot desstroy me, I think," hissed Professor Quirrell. "And I will ssimply abandon thiss body if they approach too closse."

Comment author: Vaniver 05 March 2015 12:18:16AM 0 points [-]

Ah, right. Thanks!