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Comment author: TobyBartels 04 March 2015 05:37:03AM 1 point [-]

Harry literally obliviated everything in his memory, which would presumably include knowledge of any anti-obliviation counter measures

LV would anticipate this, so he should have something set up that will explain it all over to him again, automatically. Compare Fiona in Harry Potter and the Natural 20; LV could have done what she did, and she used no magic (and no Muggle technology more advanced than audiocassette recordings).

Comment author: roystgnr 04 March 2015 04:41:22PM 3 points [-]

The obliviated Fiona was still a policewoman who likes jogging with a walkman. The obliviated Voldemort isn't even still in the same category of "animal, vegetable, or mineral". The total obliviation is a second layer of precaution on top of that.

At this point it's hard to even define "him". Even if some absent Death Eater's contingency orders just kicked in, and some magical trace on Voldemort defines where to deliver a post-obliviation message, that message is just going to end up in the hands of the obliviated ex-Tom-Riddle we like.

Comment author: TobyBartels 05 March 2015 04:23:02AM 1 point [-]

Being obliviated and transfigured is a pretty bad fix, yes. But they're both things that he could have anticipated. I don't know how to get out of that, but V might.

that message is just going to end up in the hands of the obliviated ex-Tom-Riddle we like.

Total obliviation requires more than just a message; it requires brainwashing to recreate the lost personality. Voldemort (I mean past V planning for these contingencies) can find a way. He just needs to shut up and do it! (^_^)

Comment author: hairyfigment 04 March 2015 09:07:46PM -1 points [-]

Um, that doesn't apply to anything Tom Riddle needed to learn from the basilisk. Which he actually did kill, to judge from the spiders (ha) and the lack of basilisk in the Tunnels of Secrets.