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kilobug comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, March 2015, chapter 114 + chapter 115 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: kilobug 04 March 2015 01:41:26PM 0 points [-]

Imperius isn't fail-safe, you can't Imperius strong-willed persons (at least not in cannon), I don't think you can Imperius Voldemort, Lucius Malfoy, Dumbledore, Moody, ... Even Harry can resist the Imperius in cannon.

And while it's true for the "bad guys", AK is more efficient than Obliviate, for the "good guys" who have restraints in killing (like Dumbledore and at least half of the Order of the Phoenix) using Obliviate on death eaters would seem much better than killing them or sending them to Azkaban. I always assumed they didn't do it because it wasn't that easy (long/delicate casting, don't work on Occlumens, ...) to wipe memories massively like that.

Comment author: gjm 04 March 2015 02:36:04PM 3 points [-]

Lucius Malfoy claimed to be Imperiused during his time as a Death Eater. That claim needs to have been credible enough that his allies in the Wizengamot could use it to justify voting not to send him to Azkaban. That doesn't mean it has to be very credible, of course. But it had better not have been common knowledge that Imperius only works on weaklings.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 04 March 2015 11:20:56PM 1 point [-]

I think it was more that it works for nearly everyone, not only on weaklings.

Comment author: Velorien 04 March 2015 01:53:53PM 2 points [-]

On the other hand, the good guys are bound by the law, which dictates that surviving Death Eaters go to Azkaban, whether Dumbledore and co. want it or not.