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Macaulay comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, March 2015, chapter 116 - Less Wrong Discussion
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"Harry, let me verify that your Time-Turner hasn't been used," said Professor McGonagall.
"LOOK OVER THERE!" Harry screamed, already sprinting for the door.
A story for the masses is necessary and this doesn't appear to be a bad stab at one. Harry can always bring trusted others on board by telling them what actually happened. He might have actually done that already and this is their plan. How much time did Harry have to do stuff before needing to show up anyhow (40m? 50m?)? Also, Prof. McGonagall is terrible at faking anything so telling her the truth before this seems like a bad idea.
Also, won't anyone go back with a time-turner to check Harry's version of events?
Also, won't Snape know?
It seems that death eaters have "anti-time-looping wards" (chap 94), we don't know exactly how they work, nor if they were used in the graveyard, but it could very well be that no time-traveler can check the events that happened on the graveyard.
They were used. Voldemort mentions not completely trusting them.
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Quote from chapter 113:
Would you risk going back to a live LV just to check it out? Take the risk that Harry didn't notice some annoying bystander get dispatched, or just didn't mention it? A lot of those revelations only came out when the subject came up, after all. Using a Pensieve would be much safer.
You assume Snape isn't one of the headless minions on the ground...
Just watch from a distance, using a telescope.
Snape isn't, because he can't apparate from Hogwarts. Amusingly, Snape may interpret his exclusion from the mass sacrifice as a deliberate "kindness" from the Dark Lord.
I assume Harry will have to tell part, though maybe not all, of the truth to the remaining members of the Order of the Phoenix.
Didn't Snape die?
I think there is a very good chance that McGonagall is worried enough about Hermione, about Dumbledore, ... and won't check Harry's Time-Turner. She's not much into multilevel plots, she's smart, but too honest to live in constant suspicion.
Like she didn't think much about the consequences at the "war level" when she offered the fealty oath to Hermione back then in the Wizengamot.
She sees Harry in pain and traumatized, and she sees the immediate chaos, it wouldn't be very "in character" for her to suddenly suspect Harry and probe him like that.
It could happen because she learned to not follow her "role" anymore, but it still doesn't seem the most likely thing for her to do.
Moody or some aurors on the other hand...
I think that McGonagall has learnt enough to be suspicious of Harry, but she's still more circumspect than to call him on it in front of the whole school. Maybe she'll check up a bit later, and maybe in private Harry will be happy to tell her the truth anyway, with appropriate precautions. On the other hand, if he's decided not to tell her, then he'll arrange not to be found until it's too late. (When is it too late to check if a time turner has been used?)
Re aurors: http://www.reddit.com/r/HPMOR/comments/2xxybs/chapter_116/cp4g7ao?context=3
Harry can just claim to have already used it that day for an innocuous purpose, like studying or something. Sure, McGonagall could accuse him of stupidity because that leaves him unprepared for an emergency, but pleading guilty to stupidity is easy. (Well, easier, anyway.)
When does TT reset to unused? At midnight?
Unclear. Either midnight or as soon as last 24 hours contain less than 6 hours of looped time. I've been wondering this as well. I think I remember something being said like "No combination of time-turners could let you fit more than 30 hours into a day" but I don't know if that really helps...
Where is that written? I well remember that no chain of time turners can send information (at least information comprehensible by humans) back more than 6 hours, but that still allows one to add those 6 hours more than once a day, especially with multiple time turners.
Ch 17:
Harry:
Dumbledore:
Thanks, but that's not actually definitive. Somewhere on Reddit is a list of information about time turners, and while this was quoted there, nothing else suggested that you couldn't go back 6 hours, wait 12 hours, then go back 6 hours with a new time turner.
But there was a clear statement by Eliezer that you couldn't go back 6 hours, wait only 6 hours, and then go back again. This imposes a hard limit of 48 hours per day.
Nope, you're right. It's not definitive. In my original comment, I just said I thought I remembered reading somewhere that you couldn't fit >30 hrs into a day, and the passage I quoted is where I got that impression. If /r/hpmor thinks it's possible that TTs let you fit up to 48 hrs in a day, then I have high confidence there wasn't anything explicitly forbidding it in the story.
Just to be clear, the Reddit thread didn't say that you can fit 48 hours in a day, it just didn't say that you couldn't. And it probably had that Dumbledore quotation too, it's just me saying that we can't know for sure what that quote means.
Haha, yup, I gotcha. Thanks for the info.