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Izeinwinter comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, March 2015, chapter 116 - Less Wrong Discussion
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Okay, Harry is really overdoing it here. It would have been much safer to pretend utter ignorance of everything, or at least to limit his reaction to falling over. The scene as set will cause sufficient theorizing without trying to force a particular narrative.
On a meta level: Getting this scene from a bystander means they are not in the mirror. So that's that.
I.. also just realized that "Flamel" can't possibly be dead. The rite Voldemort used on Hermione was not one of his own devising, but a piece of lore well known enough to have a usual result. "Flamel" had the stone of permanency for either 600 years, or much longer than that. And has more lore than Voldemort.
The best creature to assume the essence of from a defensive standpoint isn't a troll or a unicorn. Tough, heck, if there is no downside to just stacking things, maybe she did. The creature in the potterverse with the most absolute defense is the phoenix. Fiendfire? Firetravel away. AK? Respawn and laugh. So Dumbledore may have seen Flamel die, but that means absolutely nothing.
.. depending how the sacrifice works, this might not even hurt the phoenix you are using! Well, permanently anyway.
Had more lore than Voldemort. Legilimency is fun.
Yhea, that's not a workable approach. Seriously, Flamel is centuries old and has had the key to eternal life for all of that. and the largest hoard of lore on the planet for most of it. Trying to legilimency that mind has the most likely result of you becoming a drooling vegetable. Certainly, its not going to actually work. If it did, it would be point 1 on every single aspiring dark lords to-do list. That's actually my main reason for thinking "Not dead". A lot. Really, just a an absurd number, of people must have already tried this. It doesn't even matter what "It" is. Someone tried that one already. And failed. If Voldemort had attempted it in person? Maaaaybee. A hired hit? Nope.
The relevant section (Ch 108):
Perenelle's safety relied on the Stone's uniqueness and hiddenness, which is no longer a factor as far as Quirrell is concerned.
I agree with your assessment of how powerful Perenelle/Flamel (side note: need a good portmanteau a la Quirrellmort) should be, having been able to outwit Baba Yaga in her sixth year and then having six hundred years of excellent leverage to accumulate lore and also maybe play with what the stone can do.
That objection notwithstanding, the most plausible non-Voldemort killer would be Bellatrix, using her superpower of very strict obedience to orders like "Just use AK and do not hesitate for any reason".
Flamelle.
I'm going with this.
It's not Perenelle, it's still Baba Yaga, who killed a sixth-year dark witch, stole her identity, and faked her own death.
The odds of that being true are steadily falling, if only because there aren't many chapters left in which to have that revelation, and it's hard to see how it would improve the plot at this point.
On the contrary, tthe odds are increasing, since we're running out of opportunity for this deduction from the text to be contradicted. (^_^)
Perenelle's surname is also Flamel. (You could use a portmanteau for Perenelle/Nicolas.)
Nicolelle?
The obvious plan is to steal Flamel's lore and then induce Flamel to commit suicide. Legilimency serves for both purposes. This may be blocked by Occlumency or Dumbledore's intervention, but using a controlled minion to simply kill Flamel seems to go against point 1.
So what mechanism do you suggest Voldemort used, in light of the above quote?
I read "another" as someone besides Quirrell. I don't see how that disagrees with, say, V reading Flamel's mind and then Bellatrix AKing F, or V reading F's mind and then commanding F to kill themself, or so on.
The most obvious interpretation is that V just sent B to kill F, or Owled F a hand grenade, or so on. But I don't see why V would prefer that option, especially given that even in the world where V has F's lore, V would want Dumbledore (at least) to believe that F's lore is gone.
Shorter point: Your argument supposes that Harry - at age 11 - has mental defenses better than Flamel at age >600. Seriously, no. Yes, the resonance, but if Legitimancy was that powerful, he would just have someone else dig through Harry's skull.
It's almost as if Harry is a mental clone of the most powerful Legilimens in recorded history.
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That would require getting a hold of and killing a Phoenix, which would be difficult even for Quirrel.
Not Quirrell, but Flamel, over 600 years.