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evand comments on Counterfactual trade - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: evand 10 March 2015 03:14:50PM 1 point [-]

I give you things, and you give me things. The result is positive sum. That's trade. Causal and acausal trades both follow this pattern.

In the causal case, each transfer is conditional on the other transfer. Possibly in the traditional form of a barter transaction, possibly in the form of "if you don't reciprocate, I'll stop doing this in the future."

In the acausal case, it's predicated on the belief that helping out entities who reason like you do will be long-run beneficial when other entities who reason like you do help you out. There's no specific causal chain connecting two individual transfers.

Comment author: Lumifer 10 March 2015 04:46:16PM -1 points [-]

I give you things, and you give me things. The result is positive sum. That's trade.

Provided "I" and "you" are both real, existing entities and are not counterfactuals.

If you give things to a figment of your imagination and it gives things back to you, well, either you have something going on with your tulpa or you probably should see a psychotherapist :-/