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Epictetus comments on Human Capital Contracts - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Epictetus 10 March 2015 03:58:00PM 1 point [-]

So here's my concern:

STEM fields have some pretty high attrition rates. At my university, for example, nearly half the engineering/physical science students fail the first year calculus sequence. Of the ones who pass, most get by with a combination of partial credit and managing to guess the teacher's password. We're talking about students who were in the A-B range in high school running into a brick wall once they hit college.

The expected income of an incoming freshman engineering student versus the expected income of a graduating engineering student are two very different numbers.

In general, there are analogues to this sort of idea of paying a portion of one's future labor instead of a fixed amount of debt. The US military runs several programs where they fund one's college education and the student has to commit to serving some 4-5 years on active duty. There are other government programs in a similar vein, where school is paid for in exchange for a some years of work. For example, there's one for teachers who agree to teach in low-income areas for a certain period.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 11 March 2015 09:23:33PM *  1 point [-]

The attrition rate is exactly the point of this. If incoming engineering students were predictably going to be rich, debt financing is the right way to go. If they are a gamble, financiers should take that risk, not the students. If they are not a gamble, because it is easy to predict which ones will succeed, then the financiers will only finance the likely ones and the others will switch fields without wasting a year of their lives.

Comment author: Dias 10 March 2015 11:44:42PM 1 point [-]

The expected income of an incoming freshman engineering student versus the expected income of a graduating engineering student are two very different numbers.

Yup, I agree. Incoming freshmen who said they wanted to do engineering might get a slight discount - only a year or two in, once they've passed some courses and actually declared would they get the full discount. I figure this is the sort of thing the market is capable of pricing in.