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Comment author: knb 11 March 2015 08:07:27AM 0 points [-]

To the extent urban renewal projects actually work (they often don't), I think they mostly move the problem around. The urban core itself may be revitalized, and the poor then move somewhere cheaper as gentrification sets in. I definitely don't think it is an effective method for fighting poverty or inequality, but it is popular.

As for welfare, I don't think misspending is the problem per se. One problem is that healthcare is a lot more expensive in the US due to our convoluted healthcare system. I think the main reason life is much worse for America's poor than Europe's poor is that America's poor are harder to live around.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 March 2015 09:44:16AM *  2 points [-]

I would not generalize over all of Europe, I generally would not want to live around the Paris poor while the Vienna poor are way more livable. To put it very, very bluntly, Turkish-Albanian-Serbian poor > North African poor. It is an incredibly insensitive way to put it, but this is simply what my experience boils down to. The former countries got historically more "westernized"/secularized/liberal/whatnot. I regularly train with the former types of guys as I go to a fairly cheap boxing gym. They are okay. A bit rough around the edges, may be a tad aggressive, but culturally compatible. Football > religion types of guys. There are places in/near Paris I would not go in, for the police / ambulance does not really dare to go in either.