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RichardKennaway comments on [POLITICS] Jihadism and a new kind of existential threat - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 25 March 2015 11:45:47AM 2 points [-]

Do you think that the Islamic State is an entity which will vanish in the future or not?

Nothing lasts forever, though religions (in a fairly general sense) last longer than most things.

To my mind, the interesting question is whether the Islamic State will be gone soonish. In the short run, it's anti-fragile. It feeds on being attacked. On the other hand, it revolts every other institution which has a preference for normal human life.

It's possible that the rest of the world will solve coordination problems so as to destroy IS by military attacks.

I like the idea that it will take inspiration-- the development of a new religion or variant of Islam or alternatively some brilliant satire-- to create something to move people away from IS. It's pretty clear that mere decency isn't motivating enough.

Do you think that their particularly violent brand of jihadism is a worse menace to the sanity waterline than say, other kind of religious movements, past or present?

I have no idea. I wasn't there for the other religions.

Do you buy the idea that fundamentalism can be coupled with technological advancement, so that the future will presents us with Islamic AI's?

I don't think fundamentalists are good at innovation (have I missed something?), but they're at least as good as everyone else at using innovations invented by other people. They may be better at it if they're more motivated.

If there are AIs without a FOOM, there will be Islamic AIs, which is not the same thing as jihadist AIs. I think we can expect AIs from all the major religions and subdivisions of religions. If AIs are cheap (and I haven't seen speculation on what AIs will cost), there will be AIs based on fringe and new religions as well.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 25 March 2015 12:50:00PM 1 point [-]

To my mind, the interesting question is whether the Islamic State will be gone soonish. In the short run, it's anti-fragile. It feeds on being attacked. On the other hand, it revolts every other institution which has a preference for normal human life.

Which institutions are those, though? The Western world in general of course, but parts of the Moslem world do not share those preferences, even leaving aside IS itself. This is a major part of what the struggle is about.

For example, I have read somewhere that Saudi Arabia is benignly disposed towards IS. The Saudis do not say this in public, of course, and being an absolute autocracy do not need to say anything to anyone. I have heard someone on the radio say that Boko Haram was encouraged and assisted by certain Nigerian politicians trying to build their own power base, which is one reason it can abduct children by the hundred and nothing effective is done about it.

Comment author: Lumifer 25 March 2015 03:13:41PM 0 points [-]

Boko Haram was encouraged and assisted by certain Nigerian politicians

Nigeria is composed of three people/tribes: the Christian Yoruba in the south-west, the Christian Igbo in the south-east, and the Muslim Hausa in the north. They periodically fight -- e.g. in the late 60s they had basically a civil war when Igbo tried for independence (see Biafra) and were suppressed.

Boko Haram is based in the Hausa north and Hausa don't like the more powerful and richer southern Christians.