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Lumifer comments on [POLITICS] Jihadism and a new kind of existential threat - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 25 March 2015 02:52:01PM 12 points [-]

Frankly I don't have a problem with stomping on Islam - HARD!

The country with the largest Muslim population in the world is Indonesia. Followed by India. Go stomp.

Comment author: seer 26 March 2015 11:17:00PM 4 points [-]

Could you at least pretend like you are trying to engage in reasonable debate.

The country with the largest Muslim population in the world is Indonesia. Followed by India. Go stomp.

The Indonesian Muslims are for the most part not the ones being problematic. As for India, the Indian Hindus are already (mostly) dealing with the problematic Indian Muslims.

Comment author: satt 27 March 2015 04:47:03AM 2 points [-]

Could you at least pretend like you are trying to engage in reasonable debate. [...] The Indonesian Muslims are for the most part not the ones being problematic. As for India, the Indian Hindus are already (mostly) dealing with the problematic Indian Muslims.

I would think this complaint is better directed at advancedatheist than Lumifer. If advancedatheist had some specific subset of Muslims in mind, they could & should have been more specific than "Islam", "Muslims" and European land wars with unspecified "Muslim armies".

Comment author: seer 27 March 2015 06:55:04AM 1 point [-]

It was pretty clear from context what he meant.

Comment author: satt 28 March 2015 06:53:32PM 2 points [-]

I submit that it wasn't in fact clear that advancedatheist was referring to the specific subset of Islam/Muslims you have in mind, as evidenced by

  • 2 of the 3 direct replies to advancedatheist interpreting advancedatheist generally, rather than as you've interpreted them
  • advancedatheist writing in generalities like "Toxic religions" (rather than e.g. "Toxic branches of religions") and "immigration restrictions to keep Muslims out" (rather than e.g. "immigration restrictions to keep fundamentalist Muslims out")
  • other people having called out advancedatheist before for making political comments not very relevant to the surrounding context, suggesting that context isn't a reliable guide to interpreting advancedatheist

I also notice advancedatheist didn't respond to Lumifer or NancyLebovitz along the lines of "you're misunderstanding/misrepresenting me, I actually only mean such-and-such a subset of Muslims".

Comment author: Lumifer 27 March 2015 02:33:39PM 3 points [-]

Could you at least pretend like you are trying to engage in reasonable debate.

Not with this beginning, I couldn't.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 25 March 2015 07:08:34PM 1 point [-]

If the point of this comment is that the US, or the west in general, does not have the power to invade these countries, given the political will, then I'd say this is factually wrong.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 26 March 2015 12:08:03AM 1 point [-]

I believe the primary point was that these aren't the countries where problematic Islamic extremists are apparently centered. But there may be a bit of a deliberate ambiguity on Lumifer's part on what the point was.

Comment author: fezziwig 25 March 2015 09:58:14PM 1 point [-]

I suspect that the point was that the typical Muslim, insofar as there is such a thing, is not an arab. The founder was an arab, the Muslims on American TV are almost all arabs, but in the modern world the two concepts are less related than one might think.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 25 March 2015 07:15:56PM -2 points [-]

Why on Earth would the West want to invade Indonesia and/or India?

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 25 March 2015 08:15:57PM 3 points [-]

Well, I think advancedatheist wants them to.

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