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Comment author: is4junk 25 March 2015 10:31:01PM 1 point [-]

Russia is already approximately 15% muslim, with huge differential birth rates between christians and muslims. And that 15% understates the real issue for violence and control - who has the most young men. I've seen numbers that by 2020 (!) half the Russian army will be muslim, and that majority will only grow from there.

Doesn't this analysis depend on army technology not changing? 100 years ago this would be spot on but if in the next decade we continue to see smaller armies of people being more and more effective you could have a Russia with an even smaller army without muslim leadership.

The same is true for the civilian side. Even with large numbers of disaffected young males - near term technological surveillance could prevent them from organizing in any meaningful way.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 26 March 2015 06:23:34AM 0 points [-]

But since Russia is a democracy, any majority group can simply vote themselves into power. Realistically, people are not going to bar Muslims from entering the army.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 26 March 2015 09:31:50AM 2 points [-]

But since Russia is a democracy

???

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 26 March 2015 10:05:26AM 0 points [-]

Well, its my understanding that Russia is generally described as 'partially democratic' meaning something along the line of there are elections, but state control of parts of the media and other factors mean that the ruling party hasn't lost any elections. But, state control of the media only goes so far. Japan's ruling party didn't lose any elections for over 50 years, and then following the financial crash of 2008 they did.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 26 March 2015 11:00:51AM 3 points [-]

I don't think Russia is really democratic in any meaningful sense we understand in the West. Putin et al just find it useful to maintain this as a polite fiction. In particular, my prediction is that changing demographics will have no effect whatsoever on the distribution of political power in Russia without other drastic changes (e.g. a coup d'etat)

Comment author: Lumifer 26 March 2015 02:40:34PM 1 point [-]

I don't think Russia is really democratic in any meaningful sense we understand in the West.

Do you think Russia was democratic at any recent point? Mid-1990s, maybe?

Comment author: Clarity 30 October 2015 02:42:20PM 1 point [-]

Interestingly, The LOR -see 1 and 2 democratically elect their own officers. It's almost like extreme authoritarian salafism of the ISIL brings out extreme democratic libertarian fighters out of the woodwork (nb. many of them are actually marxist, but at least they can get along for the time being).