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casebash comments on Political topics attract participants inclined to use the norms of mainstream political debate, risking a tipping point to lower quality discussion - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: casebash 26 March 2015 04:23:18AM 2 points [-]

I think that there needs to be somewhere to discuss politics related to Less Wrong, but somewhere away from the main site. Ideally somewhere hard to find so as to keep the quality high.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 26 March 2015 10:10:35AM 6 points [-]

A kind of would-have-banned-store for political discussion...

Comment author: [deleted] 26 March 2015 10:57:34AM 16 points [-]

"MAIN" "DISCUSSION" "QUARANTINE"

would be a good site layout.

Comment author: ChristianKl 26 March 2015 12:09:46PM 14 points [-]

And only visible to people who log in.

Comment author: [deleted] 26 March 2015 12:13:29PM 2 points [-]

I agree.

Comment author: dxu 28 March 2015 02:19:20AM *  1 point [-]

Upvoted for the purpose of tolerating tolerance.

Comment author: Transfuturist 27 March 2015 02:16:55AM 4 points [-]

I think usernames would have to be anonymized, as well.

Comment author: satt 27 March 2015 01:11:34AM *  4 points [-]

I've had the idea before that a group of LWers keen to start an inflammatory political argument could help keep LW cool by having the argument on an unrelated, pre-existing, general politics forum. They could link the argument on the Open Thread so the rest of us know it's happening.

Possible advantages & disadvantages:

  • fewer political flame-outs on LW...
  • ...more political flame-outs on Unnamed Other Forum
  • other forum posters would likely have worse argumentative norms...
  • ...but you could look for a forum with relatively good norms to minimize this (a pre-existing LW-affiliated blog/network, or a traditional rationalist/sceptic forum with a politics subforum?)
  • LWers modelling good argumentative norms to strangers might get the strangers to up their own game...
  • ...or social contagion might happen in the other direction, with LWers regressing towards the mean for online political arguments
  • has the trivial inconvenience of requiring LWers to register on another forum and post there, even as they continue to post other stuff here...
  • ...but maybe a trivial inconvenience is what you want if you think the marginal LW political argument has net negative value
  • could be interpreted as a forum invasion...
  • ...but it's not like LWers are trolls, and only a few LWers would likely bother with this anyway, so they'd probably blend into a bigger on-topic forum without much fuss
  • might entrench misinterpretations of "Politics is the Mindkiller"
  • in the unlikely event this became a firmly established norm, LWers might start demanding threads be taken elsewhere at the least scent of politics
Comment author: 9eB1 27 March 2015 03:47:40AM 2 points [-]

We could easily use the LessWrong subreddit for that purpose, or create a LWPolitics subreddit.

Comment author: casebash 27 March 2015 02:00:19PM 1 point [-]

Interesting idea. There doesn't seem to be much traffic there, I wonder if the mods would be open to it?

Comment author: Zubon 27 March 2015 01:36:21PM 1 point [-]

Rationalist Tumblr discusses politics and culture, but it is definitely not hard to find; the quality of discussion may be higher than the Tumblr average but probably not what you are looking for. On the plus side, most of us have different usernames there, so you can consider ideas apart from author until you re-learn everyone. Which happens pretty quickly, so not a big plus.

The Tumblr folks seem to mostly agree that Tumblr is not the optimal solution for this, but it has the advantage of currently existing.

Comment author: casebash 27 March 2015 01:56:42PM 2 points [-]

The problem is that to contribute to that I would have to follow like 50 tumblrs and try to convince people to follow me as well