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Lumifer comments on What degree of cousins are you and I? Estimates of Consanguinity to promote feelings of kinship and empathy - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 21 May 2015 04:02:24PM 2 points [-]

One of the traditional accusations against Jews in Europe was precisely that they are "unrooted" (actually meaning, of course, not loyal enough to the current regime) -- this survived at least until Stalin's times.

Not identifying oneself with any particular tribe is a mixed blessing with a silver lining :-D You trade off "roots" and some identity against freedom (e.g. to move to different places). I see land ownership in your future.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 May 2015 07:31:00AM 1 point [-]

About the rootless cosmopolitan thing - it is not just regime loyalty, I have seen non-powerful plumbers talk in terms like this way into the new democratic regimes. It is more of a standard tribal ethnic-racial type of nationalism, blood-and-soil type. It is a classic Blue-Green tribal instinct.

Comment author: Lumifer 22 May 2015 02:53:31PM 1 point [-]

Yes, the standard "they are different, must be an enemy tribe" attitudes are there, of course, too. But the accusation of "rootless" specifically implies both the lack of longstanding allegiance and the possibility of severing ties and moving some place else -- both things not conducive to loyalty.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 21 May 2015 05:10:35PM *  1 point [-]

Indeed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan


Still a thing today in Russia, to an extent.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 May 2015 07:29:24AM 0 points [-]

Oh, in many countries east from Germany. But it is not just about disloyalty to the regime, it is more like plain simple standard tribal ethnic nationalism.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 May 2015 07:28:12AM 0 points [-]

I see land ownership in your future

You a wizard or am I so predictable? That was always my secret dreams, but there is no way my child or hopefully potential grandchildren would want to live a rural life, and a hobby farm without passing it on (or predictable sold by the heirs) is a sad thing.

Comment author: Lumifer 22 May 2015 03:24:56PM 2 points [-]

I don't know why a hobby farm is sad. It there to be your own place, not for you to start a noble dynasty.

Comment author: chaosmage 23 May 2015 12:34:01PM 1 point [-]

Can't you rent a farm?

Comment author: [deleted] 25 May 2015 10:06:25AM 0 points [-]

Lumifer's insight was that people like me want to get rooted. Renting is pretty much the opposite of getting rooted.