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That's a bit like saying "Playing chess requires no skill at all." You just have to memorize a fairly trivial set of rules of how pieces move. Even if you violate the chess rules you likely still survive the experience, so playing chess is completely about innate ability.
A lot of people simply breath poorly because they don't practice breathing well. It's actually a quite good example of how the growth mindset where you are aware that you can improve breathing through practice actually allows you to improve while you wouldn't otherwise.
Playing chess requires skill. Playing chess poorly doesn't require a lot of skill.
When making statements about X, X is permitted to be a clause which includes both a noun and qualifiers. X does not have to be a single word. If I assert that there is at least one X such that X requires no skill, X can be "breathing sufficient to survive" or "chess played poorly" or some other phrase which contains a qualifier, and still legitimately demonstrate the truth of the assertion.
People do die as the result of poor breathing so "sufficient" isn't that clear either.
That's no description of an ability. We don't take about whether Alice or Bob are better at "chess played poorly". When we talk about abilities we generally do take about things that aren't binary.
I've never heard of anyone dying as a result of poor breathing related to lack of skill in breathing.
I think you're trying to fight the hypothetical. Do you seriously think there is no X such that I can say that X doesn't require any skill?
I think the word ability is pretty synonymous with skill.
That quote clearly is an attempt by you to contrast skill with ability, and to equate "requires no skill" with "is about innate ability". You can't mean for skill and ability to be synonymous in that.