Care to find a different name for it?
"Capitalism" is a term often incisive and having mind-killer effects for everybody who dislikes it, plus everybody who dislikes it will instantly misunderstand your idea just based on the title, as its critics to understand capitalism as something based on extracting rents from the the monopolization of the usage of a resource (i.e. own more land you can personally till, that kind of private property) instead of the exchange and transaction based ideas you have here.
Hayes used the word catallaxy for "the...
I don't understand how your hypercapitalism works (and I have looked at the links). I am also not sure of the point -- are you trying to force each buy/sale transaction to become an investment? to give consumers a long-term interest in the well-being of their counterparty?
It doesn't help that you don't use the standard economic terminology. For example, I think what you mean by "rent" is usually called "productivity" while the word "rent" has a different meaning in economics.
Especially upvoted for a) actually taking and acting on advice and b) for building an executable and thus testable model.
You could (also) post this in the group rationality thread.
Why is money that decays (aka negative interest) a good thing? It seems to me that positive interest is a desirable feature of the capitalist system.
It seems to me that your system involves a serious loss of privacy. Does it? If so, do you think that's a problem?
I love information and economics... so I read through some of your material... but I'm really not sure what problem you're trying to solve.
I had serious trouble distinguishing where the presentation of the idea starts and background introduction ends.
It all kinda had a vibe "ideas that I think are cool and solve things" rather than being a solution candidate to a problem.
It also seemed that people that get the most ripped off receive the biggest bonuses, which kinda makes sense as those are preciously the victims of vacous money generation. But I am suspecting that the argument how transaction volume somehow correlates with most potential to make value isn't as waterproof as it shou...
This seems to me that it significantly raises transaction costs without significantly creating benefits. The value paid in cash in our real economy today will be equal to the sum of the cash payment plus the net present value of risk-discounted future payments in your model. That means that there is zero benefit to the parties involved, but introduces a transfer of risk, and increases the complexity of the transaction.
The place the rubber hits the road on this problem is that companies who would receive payment under this approach will not sign up to a sys...
I don't think your model gets to the important differences between hyper and normal capitalism. In normal capitalism, people buy from the company that offers them the best deal on the present transaction, whereas in hypercapitalism they're going to buy based on both the present deal and the value of prefs. As I understand it, your model has no concept of present deal, as all rent (in your terms) is captured by the producer.
You could patch this by e.g. splitting the rent between consumer and producer to simulate the producer lowering prices to attract busin...
Thanks for the lengthy reply! I don’t think I quite follow your first point. However, by listing several companies that took multiple years to become profitable, you illustrate that our current system is equipped to support endeavors that are not immediately profitable.
Take a second read of Gessell's parable and try to put aside the availability bias that we all currently pay interest. Why is it obvious that someone would demand payment for use of a backhoe?
While I read and enjoyed Gessell’s parable, there are some special conditions in the parable that make it not particularly applicable to many real-world scenarios, including my backhoe scenario. The stranger planned to borrow buckskin clothing, seeds, etc., from RC and pay them back in kind with zero or negative interest. These were things that RC had no immediate use for, and that would deteriorate if not used (like money under hypercaptalism). So (and this is the point, I think) the stranger was doing RC a service by borrowing these things, using them, and paying back later in kind with new products that had not suffered deterioration. However, in the case of my backhoe example, a plumber needing to borrow a backhoe would probably borrow it from one of two sources:
In the case of #2, clearly the business would not purchase a backhoe unless it expected to be able to rent it out profitably. In the case of #1, the tradesperson who bought the backhoe uses it him/herself, so it is not in danger of getting rusty or falling into disrepair due to lack of use. So, even in case 1, there is no advantage to the tradesperson to lend out the backhoe unless rent is charged. And in both cases, there is effort and risk involved in loaning me the backhoe – risk that I might damage it or not return it, and effort in running a credit/background check on me prior to lending me the backhoe, taking and verifying a credit card or other collateral to (partially) mitigate the risk of my absconding with the backhoe, inspecting the backhoe upon return, etc. So, in both cases, there will be no incentive to lend the backhoe (and plenty of incentive not to) unless sufficient rent is received to make the exchange profitable to the backhoe owner (break-even is not sufficient). And yet in both cases, the backhoe owner is providing an economically useful function (as anyone who has ever had a one-time need for a backhoe can attest).
But if it is sitting idle in a work yard rusting, all you want back when you loan it out it your resource in the same condition you lent it in. This may have the cost of maintenance, oil, grease, etc.
It is unlikely that anyone who has no need for a backhoe and did not expect to be able to rent it at a profit would own a backhoe. Therefore it is unlikely that anyone will be willing to loan one just to keep it maintained and in good working order.
In a perfect market this is all you would be able to get for your backhoe and you'd be glad to get it.
A perfectly efficient market is an abstraction; something that we can approach but never reach. Nor would we necessarily want to reach it.
The use of money only demands interest because it doesn't have a carrying cost. The banker doesn't need to part with it because $1 dollar will still be $1 tomorrow.
Actually, in our current economic system, money does have a carrying cost – inflation. $1 today is worth less than $1 tomorrow when you adjust for inflation. In fact, hypercapitalism has several characteristics of an economy with high or hyperinflation, e.g. high velocity of money, decaying value of money, strong incentives for consumers to spend money quickly, etc. It seems to me that hypercapitalism would have many of the same disadvantages as high or hyperinflation; I imagine that no one who had lived in Weimar Germany or in Zimbabwe in 2008 would be eager to “build in” decay into currency unless it was a very modest decay.
If money is so available, maybe the issue is that people don't know how to ask for the money because they didn't have the money to pay for the education where they teach you how to ask.
I am not sure that there is an issue; what evidence do we have that there are a lot of under-served qualified borrowers? And, in addition to loans, our economy has other avenues for obtaining funding, e.g. venture capital, stock issues, crowdfunding, etc.
It seems to me that our current system (or at least our pre 2008 system) has a slight currency decay (inflation), disincentives to holding money idle (inflation and lost opportunity costs) and incentives to make it available to others who may need it for productive purposes (positive interest above the inflation rate). So, aside from phasing out central bank “easy money” and stimulus policies, I am not sure that our system really needs to be fixed.
I posted a stupid question a couple of weeks ago and got some good feedback.
@ChristianKl suggested that I start building a model of hypercapitalism for people to play with. I have the first one ready! It isn't quite to the point where people can start submitting bots to play in the economy, but I think it shows that the idea is worth more thought.
Analysis:
http://www.hypercapital.info/news/2015/4/19/a-published-model-of-hypercapitalism
Runnable Code - fork it and mess around with it:
http://runnable.com/VTBkszswv6lIdEFR/hypercapitalism-sample-economy-for-node-js-and-hello-world
I'd love some more feedback and opinions.
A couple of other things for context:
hypercapital.info - all about hypercapitalism
Overcoming bias about our money
Information Theory and the Economy