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DeVliegendeHollander comments on Happiness and Goodness as Universal Terminal Virtues - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: VoiceOfRa 28 April 2015 09:19:12PM *  1 point [-]

Are you saying goodness is not genetic at all?

What do you mean by goodness? If by goodness you mean what els (or more generarly your culture considers "good" then yes, goodness has a large cultural component.

On the other hand, as in this thread, you mean a willingness to sacrifice for what one believes to be a good cause, then yes it probably has a large generic component. Except, "what one believes to be a good cause" has a large cultural component.

For example, as Lumifer mensioned suicide bombers blowing themselves up to spread the true faith. Or the Nazis, who as the tide of war turned against them, diverted resources from the war effort to making sure future generations of Europeans will have fewer Jews corrupting their culture, even if they're rulled by those ungrateful Allies.

Comment author: [deleted] 30 April 2015 09:37:11AM *  1 point [-]

In the modern world, goodness is generally understood as wanting others to be happy and not suffer. Sounds like the Golden Rule, as most people want to be happy and not suffer themselves, and goodness is understood as wishing the same for others. To be fair, it does look like a little bit of a narrow view, I remember Roger Scruton remarking that if your philosophy is equally suitable for humans and swine then you may need to rethink something (i.e. happy as a pig in the mud cannot really be the only terminal value, wishing it for everybody cannot be the only terminal goodness), but this is the social consensus today.

Comment author: Romashka 30 April 2015 11:03:18AM 0 points [-]

Ah, then you might like "Град обреченный" (The doomed city) by A&B Strugatsky:)