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Lumifer comments on Open Thread, Apr. 27 - May 3, 2015 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 29 April 2015 07:42:06AM 1 point [-]

Well, the statistical criticisms they mention seem less damning than the statistical problems of the average psych paper.

Talk about faint praise!

But its far from the only psych paper with unreasonably large effect size.

It's far from the only psych paper Gelman has slammed either.

Basically, this paper probably actually only constitutes weak evidence, like most of psycology.

Such volumes of faint praise!

But it sounds good enough to be published.

The work of Ioannidis and others is well-known, and it's clear that the problems he identifies in medical research apply as much or more to psychology. Statisticians such as Gelman pound on junk papers. And yet people still consider stuff like the present paper (which I haven't read, I'm just going by what Gelman says about it) to be good enough to be published. Why?

Comment author: Lumifer 29 April 2015 02:37:55PM 5 points [-]

I'm just going by what Gelman says about it

Gelman says, and I quote, "...let me emphasize that I’m not saying that their claims (regarding the effects of ovulation) are false. I’m just saying that the evidence from their paper isn’t as strong as they make it out to be." I think he would say this about 90%+ of papers in psych.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 02 May 2015 07:32:17AM 2 points [-]

I think he would say this about 90%+ of papers in psych.

Yes. I think he would too. So much the worse for psychology.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 02 May 2015 06:02:00PM 2 points [-]

And yet people are willing to take its pronouncements seriously.