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Comment author: VoiceOfRa 28 April 2015 02:32:50AM 2 points [-]

P(tolerance of homosexuality will save civiliseation)

Given the attitude of nearly every previous civilization towards homosexuality (including our own until ~30 years ago) I don't see how you can justify assigning this a value anywhere close to P(tolerance of homosexuality will destroy civiliseation).

For one thing, I think that a general principal of not defecting against people who do not defect against you could arguably help save civilisation.

So does this count as defecting? What about this?

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 11 May 2015 08:42:04PM 1 point [-]

Thinking about this conversation again, a few things struck me:

1) When I am thinking about the value of "P(tolerance of homosexuality will destroy civiliseation)" I can recognise a state of mind where I have logical reasons to believe something, but I also have strong motivated cognition. And this is a state of mind which often, but not always, leads to making mistakes

2) My defection argument is dubious, given the other various examples of behaviour, such as the links you provided, which also count as defection.

3) By tolerance I generally mean not physically threatening or harassing people. I don't mean, for instance, ranting about 'hetronormitivity'.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 12 May 2015 03:23:01AM 2 points [-]

By tolerance I generally mean not physically threatening or harassing people.

Well one problem is that these day SJW's are trying to get away with calling all kinds of things "physically threatening" and "harassing".