You're looking at Less Wrong's discussion board. This includes all posts, including those that haven't been promoted to the front page yet. For more information, see About Less Wrong.

ChaosMote comments on The paperclip maximiser's perspective - Less Wrong Discussion

28 Post author: Angela 01 May 2015 12:24AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (24)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: ChaosMote 01 May 2015 03:59:57AM 2 points [-]

Not necessarily. You are assuming that she has an explicit utility function, but that need not be the case.

Comment author: Lukas_Gloor 01 May 2015 09:32:31AM *  0 points [-]

Good point. May I ask, is "explicit utility function" standard terminology, and if yes, is there a good reference to it somewhere that explains it? It took me a long time until I realized the interesting difference between humans, who engage in moral philosophy and often can't tell you what their goals are, and my model of paperclippers. I also think that not understanding this difference is a big reason why people don't understand the orthagonality thesis.

Comment author: ChaosMote 01 May 2015 08:43:27PM 1 point [-]

No, I do not believe that it is standard terminology, though you can find a decent reference here.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 May 2015 03:56:52PM 0 points [-]

They're often called explicit goals not utility functions. Utility function is a terminology from a very specific moral philosophy.

Also note that the orthogonality thesis depends on an explicit goal structure. Without such an architecture it should be called the orthogonality hypothesis.