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DanArmak comments on Stupid Questions May 2015 - Less Wrong Discussion

10 Post author: Gondolinian 01 May 2015 05:28PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 04 May 2015 09:42:28AM *  4 points [-]

How can we have Friendly AI even if we humans cannot agree about our ethical values? This is an SQ because probably this was the first problem solved -it just so obivious - yet I cannot find it.

I have not finished the sequences yet, but they sound a bit optimistic to me - as if basically everybody is a modern utilitarian and the rest of the people just don't count. To give you the really dumbest question: what about religious folks? Is it just supposed to be a secular-values AI and they can go pound sand, or some sort of an agreement, compromise drawn with them and then that implemented? Is some sort of a generally agreed Human Values system a prerequisite?

My issue here is that if we want to listen to everybody, then this will be a never-ending debate. If you draw the line and e.g. include on people with reasonably utilitarian value systems, where do you draw the line etc.

Comment author: DanArmak 04 May 2015 05:51:37PM *  1 point [-]

This is an SQ because probably this was the first problem solved -it just so obivious - yet I cannot find it.

AFAIK it has not been solved and if it has, I would love to hear about it too. I also believe that, like you said, while it's possible for humans to negotiate and agree, any agreement would clearly be a compromise, and not the simultaneous fulfillment of everyone's different values.

CEV has, IIRC, a lot of handwaving and unfounded assumptions about the existence and qualities of the One True Utility Function it's trying to build. Is there something better?