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Comment author: 75th 06 May 2015 04:51:50AM 12 points [-]

Here's a blog post about how everyone hates each other over politics more than before. Eliezer commented on it on Facebook, hypothesizing that it's a slow-growing effect of the Internet.

I cursed aloud when I read that comment, because I've had that exact idea and an accompanying sick feeling for a while now, and this is the first time I've seen it repeated.

(it's never a good sign when Eliezer Yudkowsky is the one to express your deepest fears about why everything's and everyone's brokenness is unstoppably accelerating)

I wish to read more about the "The Internet Is Why We Can't Have Even The Few Nice Things We Almost Kind Of Once Had" phenomenon — hopefully from someone who thinks there's a way easier than developing Friendly AI to put even one evil back in Pandora's Box, but that's probably wishful thinking, and I want to read about it in any case.

(Note: I'm aware that the entire LW-affiliated rationalist community writes about how things are broken, and desires to teach people to be less broken. But right now I'm looking specifically for things about how the Internet's massive boon to free speech is way more double-edged than was anticipated.)

Anyone have any good links?

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 May 2015 02:37:26PM 2 points [-]

I think programmers helping each other on Stackoverflow is an example of people being nice by helping each other. It's possible to create any kind of social norm in an online community.

Often the problem is that there's often no moderation that enforces any community norms. Most newspapers don't invest the necessary resources that would be required to get decently moderated comment threads.

Comment author: 75th 06 May 2015 04:07:34PM *  2 points [-]

You're referring to the problem with people being mean to each other within a given online community. I'm thinking more of people hating each other more in real life because the Internet lets them seek out unfiltered outrage from people with similar beliefs, with nothing tempered by gatekeepers as in the days before the Internet and the rise of cable news.

Comment author: ChristianKl 07 May 2015 12:21:01AM 2 points [-]

I don't have the feeling that it's hard to speak about politics in the social circles in which I move in real life. But then I don't live in the US but in Germany.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 10 May 2015 07:09:46AM *  1 point [-]

More likely that means your opinions align with your social circle. As an example, do you think someone who supports the PEGIDA protests would feel comfortable expressing that support in your social circle?

Comment author: ChristianKl 10 May 2015 12:52:40PM 2 points [-]

I did read pro-PEDIGA posts on facebook from people where I wouldn't have expected it.