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Comment author: [deleted] 24 May 2015 04:05:35AM *  0 points [-]

Perhaps you're using a Frequentist definition of "likelihood" whereas I'm using a Bayesian one?

There's a difference? Probability is probability.

So, if you mean to suggest that figuring out which hypothesis is worthy of testing does not involve altering our subjective likelihood that said hypothesis will turn out to be true, then I quite strongly disagree.

But if you mean that clever arguments can't change what's true even by a little bit, then of course I agree with you.

If you go about selecting a hypothesis by evaluating a space of hypotheses to see how they rate against your model of the world (whether you think they are true) and against each other (how much you stand to learn by testing them), you are essentially coming to reflective equilibrium regarding these hypothesis and your current beliefs. What I'm saying is that this shouldn't change your actual beliefs -- it will flush out some stale caching, or at best identify an inconsistent belief, including empirical data that you haven't fully updated on. But it does not, by itself, constitute evidence.

So a clever argument might reveal an inconsistency in your priors, which in turn might make you want seek out new evidence. But the argument itself is insufficient for drawing conclusions. Even if the hypothesis is itself hard to test.

Comment author: ESRogs 25 May 2015 03:22:51AM *  4 points [-]

But the argument itself is insufficient for drawing conclusions.

This seems like it would be true only if you'd already propagated all logical consequences of all observations you've made. But an argument can help me to propagate. Which means it can make me update my beliefs.

For example, is 3339799 a prime number?

One ought to assign some prior probability to it being a prime. A naive estimate might say, well, there are two options, so let's assign it 50% probability.

You could also make a more sophisticated argument about the distribution of prime numbers spreading out as you go towards infinity, and given that only 25 of the first 100 numbers are prime, the chance that a randomly selected number in the millions should be prime is less than 25% and probably much lower.

I claim that in a case like this it is totally valid to update your beliefs on the basis of an argument. No additional empirical test required before updating.

Do you agree?