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Comment author: dxu 28 May 2015 01:27:22AM *  2 points [-]

His argument here really is exactly the same as an intelligent designer: "magic is too complicated and arbitrary to be the result of some physical process."

He actually does kind of address that, by pointing out that there are only two known processes that produce purposeful effects:

There were only two known causes of purposeful complexity. Natural selection, which produced things like butterflies. And intelligent engineering, which produced things like cars.

Magic didn't seem like something that had self-replicated into existence. Spells were purposefully complicated, but not, like a butterfly, complicated for the purpose of making copies of themselves. Spells were complicated for the purpose of serving their user, like a car.

Some intelligent engineer, then, had created the Source of Magic, and told it to pay attention to a particular DNA marker.

So, yeah, I disagree strongly that the two arguments are "exactly the same". That's the sort of thing you say more for emphasis than for its being true.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 May 2015 05:29:32AM *  -1 points [-]

I stand by my claim that they are the same.

An intelligent designer says "I have exhausted every possible hypothesis, there must be a god creator behind it all" when in fact there was at least one perfectly plausible hypothosis (natural selection) which he failed to thoroughly consider.

Harry says essentially "I have exhausted every possible hypothesis--natural selection and intelligent design--and there must be an Atlantean engineer behind it all" when in fact there were other perfectly plausible arguments such as the coordinated belief of a quorum of wizardkind explanation that I gave.

Comment author: dxu 28 May 2015 03:16:40PM *  2 points [-]

That doesn't address the question of why magic exists (not to mention it falls afoul of Occam's Razor). You seem to be answering a completely different question.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 May 2015 03:42:17PM 1 point [-]

The question in the story and in this thread was "why purposeful complexity?" not "why magic?"

Comment author: Username 06 August 2015 01:23:13AM 1 point [-]

Your proposal is equally complex, if not more. What's causing the hallucinations?