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shminux comments on "Immortal But Damned to Hell on Earth" - Less Wrong Discussion

1 Post author: Bound_up 29 May 2015 07:55PM

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Comment author: shminux 30 May 2015 01:25:17AM *  2 points [-]

What's the best we can do?

Learn to recognize Pascal mugging (the scenario you are describing is an instance of it) and ignore it.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 June 2015 03:27:15PM 0 points [-]

It's not just a Mugging. It's also a model that takes no account of agents trying to alter the chances of Hells. Sure, if Hell has a finite probability at any given time, then eventually it should happen, except that an agent is deliberately exerting continual optimization pressure to push that probability down over time.

P(Hell) exists, but its derivative over time is negative.

Comment author: Bound_up 30 May 2015 09:44:00PM 0 points [-]

I'm familiar with Pascal's wager. Is mugging just its application for manipulative purposes?

For me, the convincing counter to Pascal is the recognition of an infinity of third possible explanations. No reason to subscribe to one possible God in mindspace than another in the face of no evidence.

But this situation is different. That counter doesn't work, and no others have come immediately to my mind. Do you know of one?

Comment author: shminux 31 May 2015 03:15:15AM 1 point [-]

Pascal's mugging. You are doing a similar thing to yourself: focusing on one possible scary outcome to the neglect of other, equally probable ones. E.g. eternal bliss, creating multiple clones of yourself, all enjoying eternal happy life beyond your wildest dreams. The odds are tiny and unknown, but both risks and rewards are potentially huge. You have no frame of reference, no intuition and no brain capacity to make a rational choice in this case. So don't bother.