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Comment author: OrphanWilde 01 June 2015 05:44:18PM 4 points [-]

Humans don't. "Utility" is part of the map, not part of the territory. We make choices, but utility theory is only a modeling language used to describe choice-making processes.

One are of research you may want to investigate is "Revealed Preference", a concept developed primarily by Paul Samuelson.

"Revealed Preference" has issues, because of things like circular preferences - although it's a mistake to conclude that circular preferences are proof that humans are irrational. Rather, it demonstrates that utility theory in general is just a model, and an incomplete one.

The fundamental issue is that utility, as a model, attempts to compress a topography of many dimensions - human preferences - into a topography of exactly one - a utility value for each potential choice. Impossible Objects - "contradictions", such as circular preferences - are to be expected in the abbreviated topography.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 June 2015 03:25:28PM 1 point [-]

Well, there is one case in which naive utility theory makes perfect sense: when the utility function is just measuring the value of some real-number random variable inside the epistemic model (ie: when reading a number off your map tells you the utility of the territory). Since utility theory was invented to deal with economics, in which such a random variable exists and is called "money", nobody ever bothered to ask what happened when you didn't have such a convenient real-valued, assumed-monotonic random variable.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 04 June 2015 03:37:04PM 1 point [-]

True. Although I think most utility theorists would be somewhat horrified if you suggested that money was the only thing worth measuring, when measuring utility.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 June 2015 03:40:18PM 1 point [-]

Well of course, because they conceived of utility theory as giving value to money. They also invented a utility theory that only really applies to measuring money. It was a kind of doublethink in which, if real human preferences don't fit a model constructed to deal with money, then economists conclude that humans are Irrational (in a capital-letter ideological sense) rather than trying to come up with a model of evaluative reasoning that actually explains the data gained from real people.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2015 12:30:49AM *  0 points [-]

Why is self-reference expected when reducing the dimensions? Is it because these dimensions might influence each other in a circular way?

Comment author: OrphanWilde 08 June 2015 01:51:17PM -2 points [-]

Circles are valid two-dimensional objects. What mapping do you use to represent a circle in one dimension?