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Comment author: [deleted] 04 June 2015 03:34:01PM -2 points [-]

I would not expect them all to have associated with those attitudes some compelling moral reality beyond their own moral sense, any more than they would associate "yummy" with compelling cosmic yummyness.

This may be a bad comparison. "Yummy", once you break it down into specific preferences over flavors, corresponds very, very well to food chemistry.

I wouldn't expect them all to have conceptually alienated their moral sense as some inexplicably compelling force, though I see how such conceptual moral alienation would be possible, likely, and would serve the interests of those who would manipulate the alienated, particularly when they are in a position of relative power in the first place.

Effective manipulation of the moral sense is the true steel, and alienation of that moral sense is a powerful start.

Ooooh, I sense a Marxist talk coming on? Go on, go on!

Comment author: buybuydandavis 06 June 2015 01:37:06AM 4 points [-]

""Yummy", once you break it down into specific preferences over flavors, corresponds very, very well to food chemistry."

I have a genetic variant where when I was young I was more sensitive to bitter tastes than others, but getting older I'm supposed to get less and less sensitive, until I'm less sensitive to bitter tastes than most people.

Yummy isn't even consistent just for me over time.

"Ooooh, I sense a Marxist talk coming on? Go on, go on!"

More Stirner than Marx. Nouveaux Marxists may have gotten on board with Stirner, but Marx spent 500 pages In the German Ideology mocking the idea that ideas matter. The world runs on historical materialism, dontcha know?

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2015 10:33:13PM 0 points [-]

I have a genetic variant where when I was young I was more sensitive to bitter tastes than others, but getting older I'm supposed to get less and less sensitive, until I'm less sensitive to bitter tastes than most people.

Yummy isn't even consistent just for me over time.

Uhhh... so what? It's a very real relational property.