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Comment author: jimrandomh 02 June 2015 11:42:41PM 6 points [-]

"Our opinion-makers have gone too far in promoting the doctrine that when a law is broken, society, not the criminal is to blame." -- Richard Nixon, 1967 (about a year before he became President)

The data does not support the claim that "tough on crime" strategy was effective.

Comment author: knb 03 June 2015 09:41:50PM *  4 points [-]

The data does not support the claim that "tough on crime" strategy was effective.

Misleading. You cited a single quote from 1967 from a politician who held no elected office to try to imply that is when tough-on-crime legislation was adopted. To actually make the case, you would have to actually cite when actual tough-on-crime legislation was passed and implemented. Of course, harsher penalties were not implemented all at once, it happened over the course of decades, lasting into the 1980s and 1990s.

Comment author: jimrandomh 04 June 2015 12:27:37AM 0 points [-]

True; I quoted Nixon instead of pointing at legislation because checking the positions of presidents was easier than finding relevant legislation.