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Lumifer comments on Agency is bugs and uncertainty - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: gjm 09 June 2015 03:09:28PM 0 points [-]

That's consistent with the following modified claim: in the absence of firm knowledge of how agenty a thing "really" is, you will tend to take its unpredictability as an indication of agentiness.

However, I am skeptical about that too; the results of die rolls and coin flips don't seem every agenty to most people (though to some gamblers I believe they do). Perhaps what it takes is a combination of pattern and unpredictability? If your predictions are distinctly better than chance but nothing you can think of makes them perfect, that feels like agency. Especially if the difference between your best predictions and reality isn't a stream of small random-looking errors but has big fat tails with occasional really large errors. Maybe.

Comment author: Lumifer 09 June 2015 04:08:43PM 1 point [-]

the results of die rolls and coin flips don't seem every agenty to most people

I think the perception of agency is linked not to unpredictability, but rather to the feeling of "I don't understand".

Coin flips are unpredictable, but we understand them very well. Weather is (somewhat) unpredictable as well, but we all have a lot of experience with it and think we understand it. But some kind of complex behaviour and we have no idea what's behind it? Must be agency.