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8 Post author: maxikov 21 June 2015 08:34PM

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Comment author: shminux 21 June 2015 10:02:44PM 4 points [-]

TL;DR: Once in a while a wild extrapolation of an earlier limited model turns out to match a later, more comprehensive one. This happens in ethics, as well as in physics. Occurrences like that are amplified by the selection bias and should be treated with caution.

(Also, a bunch of applause lights for utilitarianism.)

Comment author: maxikov 21 June 2015 10:30:52PM 3 points [-]

I agree with the first paragraph of the summary, but as for the second - my point is against turning applause lights for utilitarianism on the grounds of such occurrences, or on any grounds whatsoever. And I also observe that ethics haven't gone as far from Bentham as physics have gone from Newton, which I regard as meta-evidence that the existing models are probably insufficient at best.

Comment author: shminux 21 June 2015 11:10:27PM 2 points [-]

my point is against turning applause lights for utilitarianism

yet the OP states

And that's where I think we are with utilitarianism. It's very good. It's more or less reliably better than anything else.

This seems like a normative statement that only makes sense once you have a preference for utilitarianism.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 22 June 2015 03:22:33AM 0 points [-]

I think this was mainly addressed to people who think it's the end of every question on the subject. In that context, it's toning down.

Also, "I approve of X" cannot be an attempt to shroud X in a positive halo by surrounding it by applause lights.