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Elo comments on Group rationality diary for June 22th - July 11th 2015 - Less Wrong Discussion
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I disagree with:
I would suggest, instead of leaving your comfort zone; implementing systems whereby you expand your comfort zone. eventually they do the same thing; but this way you don't have to leave your comfort zone in order to expand it. (can explain more if you like)
about:
I was wondering something; If there was a pain scale that was between 1 and 10, where 1 is not in pain and 10 is in extreme pain; how often do you reach above 8 on the pain scale and where do you usually sit? images of pain scales
the don't distort link is broken.
I think I understand what you mean but the phrase; "Don't be depressed or anxious" is particularly unhelpful sounding.
As the wikipedia article says about (euphoric recall)[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphoric_recall] in the last sentence:
Euphoric recall is perfectly fine right up until that point. Heck! the idea of a favourite restaurant or a favourite food is exactly that, but I suppose we call them tame versions of questionable behaviour.
Similarly Hyper vigilance is problematic where vigilance is fine.
Please expand on how you expand your comfort zone without leaving it... I've always found the best way to expand it to be to step just outside of it regularly.
I would start with evaluating and defining/understanding your comfort zone. I think the best way to explain this is to use a worked example: "going to a bar"
Things about bars that put me outside my comfort zone:
This^ is a long list; not all of these apply to me, but each problem may have various solutions:
Eventually most of these have a solution. At the end of running through your list of things, if you can't solve enough of them, or the solutions are not good enough, you can consider attacking the goal you set out to do.
Why do I want to go to a bar? Is there a better way to achieve that desire?
Reasons to go to a bar:
These reasons have solutions of their own.
at the end of the thought exercise you should either be happy to do the thing, or happy preferring not doing the thing. These are the win-states of considering setting out to do X.
Does that make sense? Does that help? Perhaps you can ask for help (here on LW) in solving a comfort zone issue. Perhaps you don't have to do it. Message me directly if you need personal advice and you don't want it publicly visible.
Hmmm, what is the advantage of this method over say, going to the bar, and getting over my fears
Depends on what is limiting your comfort zone and whether that limit is reasonable or unreasonable. I can't say for your life whether a limit is reasonable or unreasonable, and to do so yourself might involve comparing your life to the lives of other people and evaluating whether you are fulfilled, happy or missing out on something that other people have.
For example - I am definitely missing out on sky-diving by not sky-diving, but I don't really feel like I want to do it. Personal choice and all; not really missing out on something by not being comfortable doing it.
A comfort zone has a purpose, as does stereotypes, social structures, religion, fear, disgust, pain, monogamy, straw man arguments, and many more.
To blindly fight existing systems is as bad as to follow them to the letter. I believe in questioning and evaluating before stepping forward. (System 2 over system 1 in this case - thinking over automated)
To take the bar example again: If the reason why I don't like bars is they are too loud; going to more bars may do several things:
If on the other hand I go in search of non-loud bars I can maintain a comfort zone of not too loud things while doing the task (going to a bar) its also a win-state, and I avoid the uncomfortable experience of gradually getting used to it.