You're looking at Less Wrong's discussion board. This includes all posts, including those that haven't been promoted to the front page yet. For more information, see About Less Wrong.

Lumifer comments on Crazy Ideas Thread - Less Wrong Discussion

22 Post author: Gunnar_Zarncke 07 July 2015 09:40PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (344)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Val 09 July 2015 08:53:14PM *  2 points [-]

In e.g. Christianity it's immoral to think of a lot of things :-/

Not exactly. If I ask you "what if you robbed a bank?" you will think of robbing a bank, you actually cannot prevent yourself from thinking about robbing a bank. And yes, you just lost the Game.

What makes such a "thinking of a lot of things" immoral is not the thinking itself, but whether it is coupled with a desire.

Comment author: Lumifer 10 July 2015 02:22:27PM 3 points [-]

you actually cannot prevent yourself from thinking about robbing a bank

But you think you can prevent desire from sneaking into your thinking about sinful things..? ;-)

Comment author: Irgy 16 July 2015 07:05:13AM 2 points [-]

In the interest of steel-manning the Christian view; there's a difference between thinking briefly and abstractly of the idea of something and indulging in fantasy about it.

If you spend hours imagining the feel of the gun in your hand, the sound of the money sliding smoothly into the bag, the power and control, the danger and excitement, it would be fair to say that there's a point where you could have made the choice to stop.

Comment author: Lumifer 16 July 2015 02:24:47PM 2 points [-]

there's a difference between thinking briefly and abstractly of the idea of something and indulging in fantasy about it.

Yes, of course, there is a whole range of, let's say, involvement in these thoughts. But if I understand mainstream Catholicism correctly, even a brief lustful glance at the neighbor's wife is a sin. Granted, a lesser sin than constructing a whole porn movie in your head, but still a sin.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 21 July 2015 08:07:01AM 3 points [-]

Yes, and in Yudkowskian rationality, lying to oneself is a sin.

What's wrong with having a conception of sin that includes thoughts?

Comment author: Irgy 16 July 2015 11:29:45PM 1 point [-]

Well that's why I called it steel-manning, I can't promise anything about the reasonableness of the common interpretation.