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Eitan_Zohar comments on The Consequences of Dust Theory. - Less Wrong Discussion

-2 Post author: Eitan_Zohar 09 July 2015 03:53PM

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Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 10 July 2015 07:55:27PM *  -1 points [-]

There's precisely nothing about the conscious mind that would inform the physics of the universe/multiverse to do something different from the unconscious.

No, my mind generates my subjective reality. Or 'directs' me to it.

Too many people have not read Permutation City.

Nobody gets upset because it's possible to count natural numbers out of order; being upset because "oh noes the states of the universe might be out of order" is equally pointless.

I find the universe-jumping upsetting because I don't want to leave my current universe. I'm aware that I 'really have lived' in this universe for my entire life, in the vast majority of my measure, but I don't want to live in another one tomorrow, even if I felt the same way then.

By "universe" I just mean a different measure of universes from my current measure. When I say I will live in another one tomorrow I mean that my measure will shrink during my sleep and join a larger one upon waking; that becomes my universe which I have always lived in for the vast majority of my measure.

I know this always happens on some level but I would prefer a decent amount of consistency, enough that if I could perceive the two branches I wouldn't be able to tell the difference for some time.

(Human language really isn't designed for these concepts.)

Comment author: gjm 10 July 2015 09:11:20PM 4 points [-]

Too many people have not read Permutation City.

Or perhaps "too many people" have recognized that it's science fiction.

Comment author: Dentin 11 July 2015 05:10:57PM 0 points [-]

Your mind, which is constructed out of particles, forces, and fields, has generated a subjective reality which is a map of how the universe works. Because your brain is not static, your map changes pretty much continuously.

I think it would be a good idea to define what you mean by 'measure'. I do not understand your usage of it in the above, and I have no reasonable way to interpret things like "my measure will shrink during my sleep and join a larger one upon waking". That phrase makes literally no sense to me at this time.

Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 12 July 2015 12:00:33AM 0 points [-]

Certainly. I mean that the details of my waking world- the things I care about- are not necessarily carried over into my sleep, since they aren't required to form my subjective world of unconsciousness. Therefore, a larger ranges of possibilities that could account for my sleeping mind opens up, and my less-detailed measure joins one of them upon waking. This always happens, but I'm just worried about degree.

Sorry for my inaccurate terminology.

Comment author: Dentin 13 July 2015 01:37:53PM 0 points [-]

If I understand this correctly, your 'measure' also increases when you close your eyes. Why should your 'measure' be any different just because you think you're receiving photons from what you think is probably an external source?

At this point, I'm going to just say that I don't think anyone can help you. It doesn't matter what universe you happen to find yourself in at any given moment if you can't tell the difference between them. I suspect you're probably just going to have to work your confusion out on your own.

Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 14 July 2015 01:12:09AM 0 points [-]

Why should your 'measure' be any different just because you think you're receiving photons from what you think is probably an external source?

I'm aware of more detail.

It doesn't matter what universe you happen to find yourself in at any given moment if you can't tell the difference between them

It does to me.